H stuck in gear

[WiJay]

Guys I posted this a few weeks ago and finally got out there to do a few things suggested,I thought I would repost this and see if anyone has any more suggestions.
Update: I removed the belt pulley cover and ran through the gears everything looks good, shift rails work fine, everything moving shift forks look good. I jacked up the rear end and both wheels turn freely when in what should be neutral. Now I am completely stumped.
I have my loader with my snowblade on ( don't laugh they are calling for a foot of snow tomorrow) I can not raise the loader. Any suggestions on where to go from here?
Could it be the throw out bearing? Just asking.
Thanks J

 

[2late4me]

Take inspection cover off under clutch and check coupler

 

[2late4me]

There are actually two couplers , top is a bolt together yoke assembly on the input shaft into transmission. Lower is just slip sleeves on a connector shaft from transmission to hydraulic pump

 

[used red MN]

What does the lower transmission shaft do? Does it appear to be free as in have some slack to let it rotate slightly? Maybe a ball bearing dropped out of somewhere and has run in the gear teeth some place to lock it up. I agree with 2late check the main clutch shaft coupler and belly pump.
Link to first post on subject

 

[used red MN]

Adding info, with the clutch down and if all the gears are shifted into neutral the lower shaft should turn. If it will not there it an issue with something locking it. Which could be the belly pump, but I think that is a very rare occurrence. And if the gears are shifted in neutral the tractor should be able to be pushed around as it would be normally.

 

[jhncp]

So do you have the transmission issue resolved? If so and obviously clutch needs to be out for pump to work, my only thought is since winter has returned full blast, maybe its froze.

 

[Janicholson]

If the cover is still off, and you can run the engine, put it in neutral, and let out the clutch. Do the gears turn? If so the next test is pulling out on the hydraulic control rod to try to lift the loader. Do the gears now stop? if not, the pump may be low on fluid! Next try putting it in gear (using the clutch as normal) and look at the gears (safely, not on the ground, use a mirror or?) if they do turn as expected, there is a real problem with the differential or final drives. When you say the wheels turn, did one turn rearward when the other turned forward (normal expected differential action) or did one turn while the other was stopped, or on the ground? If one could be turned and the other be stopped, it is in the differential or final drives. If one went forward, the other rearward that is good. Next let one wheel sit on the ground, and, with the engine off, watch the gears (mirror or helper, or put the PTO in gear) while turning the tire. If PTO gears turn good. One of these test is sure to find the fault. If the trans does not turn with the clutch out, the clutch is the issue. If it does and the PTO works, it is in the finals/differential. Best I have from here. Jim

 

[rc_cola85]

I wouldn't rule out the belly pump being locked up at this point. If everything else is turning free when its in neutral, the belly pump is about the only thing left.

 

[WiJay]

I jacked up the rear and blocked it, when I spun either wheel only that wheel spun freely. I did not try to shift it in gear and let out the clutch to see what happens.
I cannot lift the loader and the fluids are fine.
I will try to get my son over to help me, difficult for one person.

 

[WiJay]

Not frozen it was in the 50s when I was working on it.

 

[WiJay]

Jim: If I try to let the clutch out it acts like it is in high gear and choke out, as I mentioned jacked it up and both tires spin freely so nothing is jammed up. I tried shifting and slightly moving the shifter through the gears to see if I could find the sweet spot where it would be in neutral, but No luck.
I am going to go out later today and with both rear tires off the ground try to see what happens if I release the clutch.

I will also try this suggestion of yours:
Next let one wheel sit on the ground, and, with the engine off, watch the gears (mirror or helper, or put the PTO in gear) while turning the tire. If PTO gears turn good. One of these test is sure to find the fault. If the trans does not turn with the clutch out, the clutch is the issue. If it does and the PTO works, it is in the finals/differential.
Thanks Jay

 

[Ken Hansen]

Not sure if I'm understanding the problem correctly and to be honest never touched an H, but once in a blue moon my BN has had a shifting problem that might be like what this H is having.

What happens is if I am not careful when shifting from one gear to another the slider rail in the transmission will not move all the way to it's detent and once I move the shift lever over to the next shift rail it can slip back into the gear I was shifting out of.

Say if I had been traveling in fourth gear and was shifting to a lower gear did not get 100% of the way into neutral detent and flopped the shift lever over to the first and second rail it could pop back into fourth gear but with the shift lever trying to engage first or second. As there is a feature in the shift cover that prevents engaging two gears at one now you can not shift at all.

Depending on the design of the shifter mechanism one can fix this one of two ways. If it is possible to remove the shift lever from the transmission cover with cover in place you can then work down through the hole in the top and us a bar to move the slider that is out of place so it can line up with all the other sliders.

On other designs it may be necessary to remove the shift cover and again put all gears into neutral and then reinstall the cover.

This is a problem that comes up because of wear from old age of the parts.

Like I said I may have not understood the description of the problem described so this may have no bearing on the problem being discussed!