Hard Facing?

[Ol 54']

Not quite sure what pops was using back in the day to hard face some of his equipment when he was cultivating or plowing. Would you farmers have an idea? I remember him out in the shop at night with the welder on.

 

[old]

Not quite sure what pops was using back in the day to hard face some of his equipment when he was cultivating or plowing. Would you farmers have an idea? I remember him out in the shop at night with the welder on.

There's a rod made just for that I had some years ago and it was called just that hard facing rod

 

[JOCCO]

Old is right on. It was available in larger rods lots of heat. I have spent many hours running it on equipment! Never did check to see if available for wire feed. If I never see it again would be to soon! Check with a welding supply store.

 

[stevieb49829]

I use it in stick, to build up the wear shoes on my buddy's snow plow blade. Not a lot of fun to weld with but does build up steel that is harder than 7018. He gets it from the local big-box store. steve

 

[tom upton]

Lots of info on net. Here is one decent site that explains which electrode to use for different types of steel.

Welding Rods for Hardfacing: Everything you need to Know

Welding rods for Hardfacing Welding rods for hardfacing offer a unique welding solution for metal that needs to be strengthened ... Read more

materialwelding.com

 

[urbancase]

Yea I have hard facing rods clean area good and turn heat up. Work good if you cover area good.

 

[moresmoke]

Many different types depending on what you are doing. Also available as wire. I used a bunch of wire on replaceable point fertilizer shanks.

 

[wh]

Depends on item. Several types of rods. Other consideration is cost of item being hardfaced. If cheap enough may not be worth time money to do. I had several pounds of abrasive resistance hard face rods give to me by a welding supply. When i replaced the landslides on my turning plow i ran several passes on the wear area. Dont use it as much but the welds are still visible. Probably will outlast me now.

 

[Nordic]

Seeing the subject is here today, what would be the next hardest rod to use for wear? Would it be stainless or? I just priced hard-face rods a couple of weeks ago and they are very expensive now... still thinking things over.

 

[urbancase]

I not a welder by trade but i have welded with stainless rods and I would guess the rods are not hard stainless. Someone on here may have more knowledge on that. I use hard facing rinds on my ripper so the shank part it self doesn’t wear as bad.

 

[Charles in Aus.]

Hard face rods are great for repairing worn pto shaft splines .

 

[560Dennis]

red tip, is the term we used for it , used it on end cams
only thing thing it had successfully would cut it was green wheel ,
so put it very strategically , or you will be grinding forever,ok thats my thoughts

 

[Watthour]

As for stainless being "hard" it is all relative. Many SS alloys are pretty poor for wear resistance, tensile, and deflection. Almost everything I do for business is some 300-series with a little duplex and 17-4 and other alloys. It's actually soft, making it difficult to machine. It's not very strong compared to tool steels, and has the wear resistance of a stick of butter. The only saving grace is that it has some different chemical resistances from other materials. When carbon steel is not quite right for an application, and ampco is too expensive, stainless can fill the gap cheaply.

In a nutshell, John Deere would have been an abject failure if he had invented a moldboard made of stainless.

 

[chvet73]

I found a hard facing wire that I ran in my mig. Found it welded much easier than the rods I tried previously.

 

[NDIHC]

I used to use a lot of hard surfacing rod on snow plow skids and NH3 applicator knives when I worked at our local Cenex/Farmer's Union.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

In the early days, Dad spent a lot of hours laying down beads of hard facing on plow parts, but it turned out that the time he spent doing that really didn't pay out. The parts weren't lasting that much longer to justify the hours spent welding late into the night. He was further ahead changing the plow points, shins, and landsides more frequently, and getting a few extra hours of much-needed sleep every night.

 

[Ray,IN]

All Harry Ferguson plow points, shares, land-slides, etc were case hardened to increase wear resistance by up to 300%
The case hardened surface is very hard, but only about .015" thick.
I used to know how to case harden low carbon metal parts in the tool room, but have long since forgotten the details; reading that link refreshed my memory.
Modern hard surface electric-arc welding rods are much simpler to use on small areas.

 

[Charles in Aus.]

All Harry Ferguson plow points, shares, land-slides, etc were case hardened to increase wear resistance by up to 300%
The case hardened surface is very hard, but only about .015" thick.
I used to know how to case harden low carbon metal parts in the tool room, but have long since forgotten the details; reading that link refreshed my memory.
Modern hard surface electric-arc welding rods are much simpler to use on small areas.

My late uncle worked at the Commonwealth Aircraft factory here in Australia for most of his working life . He would case harden parts by sealing them in a ' case ' ; specifically a steel box , surrounded by carbon , then place the lot into a kiln for a number of hours .
I was only ten when he told me this , he mentioned that in the absence of pure carbon , old bones and leather would create enough carbon to do a passable job .

 

[Russ from MN]

As for stainless being "hard" it is all relative. Many SS alloys are pretty poor for wear resistance, tensile, and deflection. Almost everything I do for business is some 300-series with a little duplex and 17-4 and other alloys. It's actually soft, making it difficult to machine. It's not very strong compared to tool steels, and has the wear resistance of a stick of butter. The only saving grace is that it has some different chemical resistances from other materials. When carbon steel is not quite right for an application, and ampco is too expensive, stainless can fill the gap cheaply.

In a nutshell, John Deere would have been an abject failure if he had invented a moldboard made of stainless.

That's my experience with stainless too. In the paper mill we mostly used 316 because of its corrosion resistance, and there were always scraps lying around. I made some shoes for my back blade, and they are worn out now.

 

[Ol 54']

After talking with my brother over the week end, he had told me the reason pops was hard facing some of his equipment, was because he couldn't afford to buy new stuff. Dad was a very poor farmer back in the day, wished he was still with us..