Hauling a Plow

[JohnRowehl]

Thinking about getting a plow for my 826 to haul to plow days or other places to give it workouts. Key word is HAUL, so I m thinking that a fully mounted model make sense as far as getting it onto a trailer. I m thinking a 4 bottom plow for that tractor but guessing they would be rare in a fully mounted type.

Semi-mounted plows appear to be more available in the market. But I m wondering if it s even possible to be able to pull or back one on to a trailer without the bottoms catching onto the trailer deck.

Thoughts?

 

[Mark Poss]

Do you have an end loader to load the plow on your trailer? Usually at most plow days they have a loader available to load and unload plows for guys
so you wouldnt have to try and load and unload a plow hooked to your tractor

 

[fastfarmall]

Hi,my experience is with a 3x16 semi mounted plow, when i go up the ramp of the trailer, you have to be careful so the front bottom,doesn't catch on the ramp, which is made out of 1 1/2 angle iron, that lays croosways on the ramps,and it lift's pretty high, so i take along a piece 3/16 flat and lay it down on the trailer about where it has caught previously, and skids along with the plow,until i get over the hump,but looking it over you would never think it would catch !!! My plow tractor is SMTA with a 312 mounted plow with a long tail wheel, but i use extra deep suck shares,they got a big nose that curves down! Good luck! If i take the 806, with the 70 plow, i just drive it up there, to the lowing bee.

 

[caterpillar guy]

I would suspect you could pull 5bottom with an 826. Dirt will dictate the plow though. We used to pull 6-16's with an 806 years past. If we use it now we just put the 1466 on it works better. As for the loading I would think it would need to be set on and off with a loader for most practicality though the bigger and heavier the plow the more difficult it can be to lift it with a loader.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

We're talking about going out and having fun, not thrashing on the tractor like a government mule. 4 bottoms for an 826 makes for a fun day and a whole tractor when you head home.

Period correct for an 826 would be a 540 or 700. My 4-bottom 700 was loaded at the auction by a good-sized skidsteer and forks, and my 756 with 2350 loader picked it off the trailer with no issues.

 

[Cash4Toys]

What are using for a trailer? Gonna make
quite a bit of difference as well. I have
a 35 + 5 deckover triple axle and 3500 GM
dually and haul my Oliver 1955, which is
fairly close to the weight of your 826.
There is no way I could ever haul that
tractor and a 4 bottom plow, do to the
length and weight distribution. Unless
you're talking a lot heavier truck and
trailer, I don't see that happening.

 

[JohnRowehl]

(quoted from post at 20:47:10 11/13/22) Do you have an end loader to load the plow on your trailer? Usually at most plow days they have a loader available to load and unload plows for guys
so you wouldnt have to try and load and unload a plow hooked to your tractor

Thanks for all the feedback.
Don t have a front end loader at home. Not sure but I don t recall that our club had anything there to lift plows off at their events in the past.

Probably going to have to get a separate equipment trailer with a lower deck in order to do this.

This post was edited by JohnRowehl on 11/14/2022 at 05:06 pm.

 

[JohnRowehl]

Not too worried about being era correct, but yes, a 540 or 700-710-720 is what I was thinking if I went semi-mount. We also had Oliver equipment when I was growing up so I would also consider getting a "right green" one.
Thanks for replying.

This post was edited by JohnRowehl on 11/14/2022 at 05:04 pm.

 

[the tractor vet]

When they first came out and 806 would haul a five bottom 16 inch plow in our ground over here in low 3-4 stock . add in a turbo then it was High 1 and enjoy the ride and 826 at stock set a four bottom will be enough . Turn up the wick and then it will do five 16's . as for the 540=-550-560 they were out when the 460-560 were new and the 700 was new with the 806/706 . as i was there when they were new . My old boss bought the vary first 806 sold at the end of Aug 1963 at it's first showing at the Canfield / Mahoning county fair the day after it arrived even before the fair opened and the following Saturday in Sept of 1963 my uncle bought the second one and both were not even a week old when they both got a turbo installed buy General maintenance diesel and the wicks turned up . I spent some time on Harts Delight Farms 806 and a whole bunch on my uncles . Old G F liked the 806 so much that the following year he bought 806 #2 . About 20 years ago now i ended up buying 806 #2 dead in the shed for 2250 bucks and it took a whoopen 2.74 to get it back up and running and three hours of my time so if you add in my labor rate at that time frame that was a 122.74 . I had planned on keeping it but jut like all the 806's i have bought someone always comes in and starts thorwen Green backs till they hit the magic number . The only 806 i have been able to hang on to is the one i have now . She is UGLY , she leaks oil everywhere and NOBODY wants it , BUY she is a runner . When G F bought his he ordered a new five bottom 700 and when my uncle got his he ordered in a new five bottom 700 . I plowed many acres of tater ground with that plow and along with the new plow also came the new 16 foot wing disc model 470 . Now as to Plow days and putting a semi mount on a trailer , it can be done BUT a real pain . and the best way is to unhook the coupling pole and steer the tail wheel . NO it will not fit on my 28 foot goose neck and the tractor will be all the way up on the trailer and loading the truck to heavy . Ya can't back it on as the tractor will not get all the way up on the trailer . Yep i tried . As at one time i was farming ground spread out and had the goofy idea to haul tractor and plow to where i was going to be plowing then i would have my truck there and when i got tired i could just go home . The idea was not to have to bother someone to come and get me and run me back to get my truck .

 

[Pembroke]

Hey John, the important thing is to be safe and have fun at plow day and post pictures. Lots of pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JohnRowehl]

Your 806 story reminded me of a day when I was probably about eight years old, circa 1964, in a field where we were planting potatoes. Tom Cassidy, the IH salesman came riding out the farm road on this big red tractor with a three bottom rollover plow that was dragging a McConnell clod buster behind it At the time we had been pulling Oliver trip plows with three 14" bottoms with our Oliver 88s. Apparently the idea was to demonstrate that with this new set up, "you can run all your other plows into the woods", as I recall the salesman saying. Well for whatever reason, my father and his uncle did not buy the tractor and plow. Being eight years old, I didn t make any mental note of what model tractor it was at the time. But years later I heard my father mention to someone that they d had an 806 out on demo one time. So that would have been as close as I ever came to an 806.

Perhaps you wonder why they had only a three bottom plow on an 806. Roll-over plows were pretty much the only kind used in the potato growing area where I was from. There was a rule of thumb that you used a plow with one less bottom with a roll-over plow than the same tractor pulling a trailing (and presumably semi-mounted) plow. This was sandy loam soil and pulling a (McConnell) clodbuster behind the plow was adequate for soil preparation if planted before rain settled the ground. They figured that the clodbuster was the equivalent of pulling another bottom. So if you had an Oliver 1850 or JD 4020, or Farmall 826, pulling a three bottom roll-over with a clod buster was comparable to pulling a five bottom semi-mount or trailing plow.

Having no dead furrows was an advantage but you also worked your way across the field just ahead of the planter. So as the day came to an end or if rain came, you didn t have extra land plowed that would have to be reworked if you couldn t get back in the field for a few days.

Dad got a 314 plow (3x16) when he bought his 826 that wasn t the best matchup. It didn t have that much fore-aft clearance between bottoms so even though the tractor could have pulled it faster, soil was being thrown against the bottom ahead of it and the cover crop wasn t being buried properly. I think that the plan was to get a different model that had greater clearance, maybe a model 462. But being in the 1972-73 time frame, equipment was not as easy to come by so he got what was available.

Later on he got a IH 140 plow (3x18) that had more clearance so you could go faster with a little more width and so it was a better fit for that tractor.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

I'm thinking a lot of that rule about using one less bottom on a rollover had to do with weight. When that "three-bottom" rollover plow comes out of the ground, you're carrying around a SIX bottom plow, which is pretty danged heavy.

 

[JohnRowehl]

(quoted from post at 09:03:21 11/18/22) I'm thinking a lot of that rule about using one less bottom on a rollover had to do with weight. When that "three-bottom" rollover plow comes out of the ground, you're carrying around a SIX bottom plow, which is pretty danged heavy.

Yes, I have thought that was part of it too.
Plowed for a friend of my fathers for a couple springs. 1456 with a four bottom rollover (and clodbuster). There were 20 of the 100 lb suitcase weights on that tractor. Some fun days there.

 

[LMack]

I ran one on two different tractors for years. The reduced number of plows for rollover plows is necessary yes . . . due to weight but not always like you think. It is hard to keep the rollover plow running shallow and it loads the tractor more. I was pulling 3-16's with a 656D with five-speed and TA and it was loaded in high third. My uncle had a 656D hydro and he could handle 4-16's in the same soil loaded up about the same. I would be running 10-inches or more and he would be 8-inches. Part of that might have been due to the fact that the heaver plow tended to want to run deeper and as long as the tractor would handle it, we would let it eat.

 

[JohnRowehl]

(quoted from post at 11:12:30 11/18/22) I ran one on two different tractors for years. The reduced number of plows for rollover plows is necessary yes . . . due to weight but not always like you think. It is hard to keep the rollover plow running shallow and it loads the tractor more. I was pulling 3-16's with a 656D with five-speed and TA and it was loaded in high third. My uncle had a 656D hydro and he could handle 4-16's in the same soil loaded up about the same. I would be running 10-inches or more and he would be 8-inches. Part of that might have been due to the fact that the heaver plow tended to want to run deeper and as long as the tractor would handle it, we would let it eat.

Agreed; I had also wondered about the load on the hydraulics and if that was something else that factored in.