Hauling Deere D

[Jallyh]

Can I haul a 1928 John Deere D 24 miles with a 2020 Silverado 5.3 and a 16 foot flatbed trailer 5 lug 15” wheels and a 2x10 plank floor. Also to note the trailer has no brakes but the route has minimal hills. This is a one time deal and in any case would be done slowly and carefully. Not sure what the D weighs but it looks like a lot of cast iron and steel wheels to me.

 

[ss55]

Can I haul a 1928 John Deere D 24 miles with a 2020 Silverado 5.3 and a 16 foot flatbed trailer 5 lug 15” wheels and a 2x10 plank floor. Also to note the trailer has no brakes but the route has minimal hills. This is a one time deal and in any case would be done slowly and carefully. Not sure what the D weighs but it looks like a lot of cast iron and steel wheels to me.

Check the load rating tag on the trailer (weight of trailer and load). The trailer might be too light.

Road gear on a 1924 tractor might be far too slow to drive the tractor home (5 MPH or 3.5 MPH ? ) unless you enjoy a really slow drive on back roads on a pleasant fall day. Rubber tires or steel wheels?

TractorData.com John Deere Unstyled D tractor information

www.tractordata.com

https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1041&context=tractormuseumlit

Is the Silverado 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton or one ton? It may not matter as no brakes on a trailer with a 4,000 to 5,000 pound load might not be road legal anywhere.

Are commercial hauling rates still $4 per one way loaded mile?

 

[Jim.ME]

You are pushing it. Tractor Data says it could be close to 6000 pounds for a D. 5 lug wheels on a trailer are likely 3500-pound axles. What are the tires on it, regular, used passenger car tires? 7000 pounds less trailer weight, 6000 pounds for the tractor and the trailer is capped out even with some on the truck. A Silverado may be one of the larger models (2500 or 3500), but Silverado normally refers to a half ton (1500). 7000 pounds on the bumper and no brakes. Your equipment, your decision.

 

[Jallyh]

The pickup is a 1/2 ton. The heaviest thing I have hauled on the trailer is a 2006 1/2 ton Silverado 4 wheel drive and have did that more than once and it seemed to handle it just fine. The old tractor is a non runner with all steel wheels.
I suspect you are correct about the 3500 axles. The trailer has 4 month old 10 ply trailer tires.
I think I’m going to weenie out and let somebody else have the D….

 

[TractorDad3]

Ummm I would find a way to get the steel-wheeled D home safely

 

[caterpillar guy]

Load it and go . will work just fine for only 24 miles or put it in neutral and pull it with another tractor for a bit more speed .Should be fine at 15MPH unless the D revolts over having never been that fast.

 

[rustred]

just load it up and go, them old D's are not that heavy , ... and go as fast as u need to. no problem with that trailer. hauled a heck of a lot heavier on them. ya steel wheels have reduced your weight a lot! i would go the speed limit on the hyway if it need be. and meant to say its only 2 tons your hauling.

 

[rustred]

The pickup is a 1/2 ton. The heaviest thing I have hauled on the trailer is a 2006 1/2 ton Silverado 4 wheel drive and have did that more than once and it seemed to handle it just fine. The old tractor is a non runner with all steel wheels.
I suspect you are correct about the 3500 axles. The trailer has 4 month old 10 ply trailer tires.
I think I’m going to weenie out and let somebody else have the D….

ooh my. U have everything to haul a little load like that and weenie out. I have hauled super wd9’s right up to 660’s with my 1995 1/2 ton with an 18’ trailer. And not just 24 miles ! I hauled them on 6 and 8 hr trips. This is funny.

 

[joeysmith]

Yea i hauled a t9 on a single wheel gooseneck 60 miles
Was a long slow backroad drive home
(I thought it was a 6 on the online auction)
Oops

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

The pickup is a 1/2 ton. The heaviest thing I have hauled on the trailer is a 2006 1/2 ton Silverado 4 wheel drive and have did that more than once and it seemed to handle it just fine. The old tractor is a non runner with all steel wheels.
I suspect you are correct about the 3500 axles. The trailer has 4 month old 10 ply trailer tires.
I think I’m going to weenie out and let somebody else have the D….

A 2006 1/2 ton silverado 4 wheel drive weighs about 6000lbs...

Not sure how steel wheels factor in. Once it's on the trailer, as long as it doesn't punch through the deck...

 

[Jarrod32]

I have a 1937 Deere D. It comes in at 5600 pounds, and that is based on the CAT scale. A 7k trailer that weighs 2,000 pounds will be overweight. I have a 10k trailer (two 5k axles), giving me plenty of capacity. You should be fine on total gross combined weight, and within towing capacity.

The place you might run into trouble with a half ton is on payload capacity...if you have the tractor too far forward on the trailer, you can easily overload your payload capacity and rear axle weight rating. When I pulled mine with a Ram 1500, I had to make sure the tractor was positioned just right on the trailer.

A 7k trailer (2 3500 pound axles) is not really going to cut it, though if you like to gamble you could get away with it once for a short trip. And a single axle trailer would be downright dangerous with a tractor that weight.

 

[rustred]

I have a 1937 Deere D. It comes in at 5600 pounds, and that is based on the CAT scale. A 7k trailer that weighs 2,000 pounds will be overweight. I have a 10k trailer (two 5k axles), giving me plenty of capacity. You should be fine on total gross combined weight, and within towing capacity.

The place you might run into trouble with a half ton is on payload capacity...if you have the tractor too far forward on the trailer, you can easily overload your payload capacity and rear axle weight rating. When I pulled mine with a Ram 1500, I had to make sure the tractor was positioned just right on the trailer.

A 7k trailer (2 3500 pound axles) is not really going to cut it, though if you like to gamble you could get away with it once for a short trip. And a single axle trailer would be downright dangerous with a tractor that weight.

You have a lot newer D which probably has rubber with fluid. Them old 1920’s D’s were not that heavy on steel less than 5k Need apples to apples here. And it’s only 24 miles. He is fine. But he got scared and weenied out.

 

[Jarrod32]

You have a lot newer D which probably has rubber with fluid.

Rubber, no fluid. And yeah, his might be closer to 4k. So a 7k trailer probably is OK. But anything less probably isn't.

 

[ss55]

You have a lot newer D which probably has rubber with fluid. Them old 1920’s D’s were not that heavy on steel less than 5k Need apples to apples here. And it’s only 24 miles. He is fine. But he got scared and weenied out.

Restoring old tractors ain't cheap anymore, and their value is dropping. The cost to get one home is just the tip of the total cost iceberg, especially if a new trailer and new truck are needed.

 

[showcrop]

Carrying and going you should be good. Stopping it would be a very different matter. Maybe one of these guys can send you certification of a rider on their insurance to cover you. You can just promise to be careful.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

Because 10-15% of the weight of the trailer ends up on the tongue, you can EFFECTIVELY be at 7700-8050lbs and not overload the axles. 700lbs (10%) on the tongue will not overload any "half ton" pickup truck unless you're already carting 1000lbs of tools in the bed. Even 1050lbs (15%) is well within the rear axle capacity of ANY "half ton" pickup truck with an empty bed. SO WHAT if you do overload it a little? The truck is not going to instantly fall on a pile.

With only 24 miles to travel, you can drive 25MPH and it will only take you an hour to get where you're going. At 25MPH top speed you won't even notice the lack of trailer brakes on relatively flat ground.

We're (presumably) not trying to go up and down mountains, not trying to keep up with traffic on the interstate, not hauling across state lines, not passing any weigh/inspection stations... Risk is minimal. The biggest risk is a flat tire, but you're close enough to home that even if you came woefully unprepared, you can pull the trailer off on the shoulder, unhook, and go get what you need.

The whole problem here is the OP asked instead of just going ahead and doing it, and caught PBA, paralysis by analysis.

 

[showcrop]

Because 10-15% of the weight of the trailer ends up on the tongue, you can EFFECTIVELY be at 7700-8050lbs and not overload the axles. 700lbs (10%) on the tongue will not overload any "half ton" pickup truck unless you're already carting 1000lbs of tools in the bed. Even 1050lbs (15%) is well within the rear axle capacity of ANY "half ton" pickup truck with an empty bed. SO WHAT if you do overload it a little? The truck is not going to instantly fall on a pile.

With only 24 miles to travel, you can drive 25MPH and it will only take you an hour to get where you're going. At 25MPH top speed you won't even notice the lack of trailer brakes on relatively flat ground.

We're (presumably) not trying to go up and down mountains, not trying to keep up with traffic on the interstate, not hauling across state lines, not passing any weigh/inspection stations... Risk is minimal. The biggest risk is a flat tire, but you're close enough to home that even if you came woefully unprepared, you can pull the trailer off on the shoulder, unhook, and go get what you need.

The whole problem here is the OP asked instead of just going ahead and doing it, and caught PBA, paralysis by analysis.

And we all know that nothing unexpected could possibly happen.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

And we all know that nothing unexpected could possibly happen.

Something unexpected could happen no matter what you haul it with. There is always risk, most of it beyond your control.

 

[showcrop]

Something unexpected could happen no matter what you haul it with. There is always risk, most of it beyond your control.

When I have a load within my GCVW I am in far better control than if my load is way above.

 

[John Deere D]

Can I haul a 1928 John Deere D 24 miles with a 2020 Silverado 5.3 and a 16 foot flatbed trailer 5 lug 15” wheels and a 2x10 plank floor. Also to note the trailer has no brakes but the route has minimal hills. This is a one time deal and in any case would be done slowly and carefully. Not sure what the D weighs but it looks like a lot of cast iron and steel wheels to me.

April 2005, I left my then home ,on the Canadian side of the USA / Canada Border (Washington State /British Columbia) with my 1997 Ford 1/2 ton,extended Cab,Long box,6 cylinder Auto Transmission,Firestone Air bags on Rear suspention,16 inch 8 ply tires.
The Trailer (my brothers) had twin 3500 axles,10 ply tires,loaded with a 1947 John Deere D, Rear Rubber loaded with Calcium Chloride.

I picked my traveling time, so as to have minimum highway traffic,and much cooler ambient . After 750 miles,sun was up, I entered the west portal side of the Rocky Mountains and headed North East exiting the Rockies on the East side,with my trip ending at the Southern Terminus of the Alaska /Alcan Highway in Dawson Creek BC.

NOTE
The above is not coffee room talk,it's not he said she said.
Bob....