Hazmat fee

[Don B.]

I just tried to start a thread in this and got denied. The forum wouldn't let me and said something about submitting questionable content to the forum board for review but I have no clue what part of what I tried to post might have been questioned. They don't highlight any part of my post but it was instantaneous when I hit "reply".
But I have to say this... I ain't happy with airgas, as they charge 33% on 75 25 MIG gas... 25% of the cost of the gas then they charge tax and n the hazmat fee which here is 8%
I'm furious about this but nobody is willing to explain. $113 bottle of gas costs $153 with tax and fre. If I r were something like $6 I probably wouldn't say anything about it. But $40?

 

[Ozlander]

Don't have that here in Ohio on LP.

You have a Hazmat Fee, you just don't know it.

 

[caterpillar guy]

I always thought fees were like the rest of the business.When the bean counter figured the cost of operating a shop they figured in the cost of rags cleaning supplies and all the other things going into a job. So since that was figured when they calculated the rate per hour for the shop. There is no need for added in supplies and other none sense like that. When I figured the cost for hauling all those were figured in so no additional fees for chain splices or extra hooks or special things to make tie down easier. IT was figured in already. No need to make added costs charged back to the shipper or consignee. Whichever is paying the bill. So there is no reason for figuring in all that on the end except they figure they can cushion the bill for their short comings of book keeping. Never minded paying a reasonable rate for things . Always begrudged being gouged or having fees tacked on just because they can.

 

[Loosehandle]

Does your state charge a hazmat fee when buying welding supply's? I exchanged two welding tanks, and got charged 10.00 hazmat fee. If I thought it did some good I would fee better about it. Or is it just a state money grab to be used on other projects. Just carious I paid 75.00 for 110 size acetelene bottle, and 22.00 for 125 size ox bottle. Is this about what you guys out east pay? My rant for the day. Stan

Yes, cost to exchange argon/Co2 mix is $90 in so. Wisconsin 2025. Even the mig wire is out of reach at the welding store, using a plasma cutter now instead of oxyacetylene.

 

[JOCCO]

If it makes you feel better how about HAZ-MAT AND OR SUPPLY'S.

I did repair work on USPS vehicles for 31 years they switched to Voyager credit card system to pay me. I had nothing to do with the transaction all I wanted was my money but Voyager deducted 3% from my bill on the check they sent. I called USPS and asked about it they told me it was the cost of doing business. So I added Haz-Mat and or supply's to there total at 3%. They called me and ask Whuts dat I said its the cost of doing business :lol:

If a business runs a nice clean operation I don't think anyone minds paying a small reasonable fee BUT some go crazy with it.

I would have added 6%

 

[Don B.]

You have a Hazmat Fee, you just don't know it.

Oh yeah. It's called out right on the bill

 

[Don B.]

Yes, cost to exchange argon/Co2 mix is $90 in so. Wisconsin 2025. Even the mig wire is out of reach at the welding store, using a plasma cutter now instead of oxyacetylene.

$90? What size bottle? 125 cf. $113 plus the BS changes, I've paid $153 for the last two one last month and one last week. Usually I get a couple of years out of one. My last bottle before was $113 with BS fees and taxes included, about 3 years ago. Gas itself was $84 that time.

 

[Don B.]

I would have added 6%

That's not 33% like I was charged. 25% hazmat then they charge the 8% state sales tax ON THE HAZMAT FEE!!!

 

[stevieb49829]

My welding supply house even charges hazmat on welding rod. I guess so the govt can fix the noxious fumes I produce welding. steve

 

[Don B.]

Who do you use?
There's a bunch of BS about transportation and such in the description but they didn't haul it. I did. So they're charging me to haul my own bottles? How does that make sense?
I want to know if this is legally required such as when R12 first went away it was all over the car magazines and trade magazines that they were adding so much per pound "environment tax" or whatever their name for it was until R12 was essentially history.
I haven't seen any such info about hazmat fees on welding gases like they did for freon.
Nobody will step up and take ownership of the subject. All I've gotten on the other forums is Im some old man bitching for people to get off my lawn, that if "an extra $20 hurts so bad to find another hobby". that sort of thing. Nobody wants to step up as to the real reason for such fees.
That's all I'm asking, I don't think it's too much,
wiry maybe some info on what WE can do to get them eliminated if they can't give US a satisfactory answer. Is that too much to ask? It hure every one of us. And if it's as easy as leaving airgas as my supplier I can.
I've been dealing with the same place since before airgas bought them out and have bought alot from airgas before they started adding these charges. All the most recent guy would say is that "it's preprogrammed in as soon as we enter the stock number of the material". Wouldn't even expound on what all merchandise that they add this to.

 

[chvet73]

If there is a way to add a fee to your purchase here in California we will be sure to have that fee.

 

[Don B.]

Illinois must be using California as their model then

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

I always thought fees were like the rest of the business.When the bean counter figured the cost of operating a shop they figured in the cost of rags cleaning supplies and all the other things going into a job. So since that was figured when they calculated the rate per hour for the shop. There is no need for added in supplies and other none sense like that. When I figured the cost for hauling all those were figured in so no additional fees for chain splices or extra hooks or special things to make tie down easier. IT was figured in already. No need to make added costs charged back to the shipper or consignee. Whichever is paying the bill. So there is no reason for figuring in all that on the end except they figure they can cushion the bill for their short comings of book keeping. Never minded paying a reasonable rate for things . Always begrudged being gouged or having fees tacked on just because they can.

What you fail to consider is the "race to the bottom" many industries find themselves in. Everyone trying to undercut everyone else. Sooner or later, they find themselves painted into a corner doing work or providing product for free, or at a loss. If they quoted the customer what it really cost with everything figured in, they'd have no work because there are 10 other outfits that will do it cheaper ON THE SURFACE. When the bill comes there are all these extra fees tacked on. All you have to do is blame it on the government. The customer may not be happy, but he won't walk away blaming you.

 

[Phill Tibbetts]

Haz mat fees on some shipping, then it comes in a regular box with no mention of haz mat.

 

[Texasmark]

If Texas charges haz mat fees its hidden in the purchase price and retailers don't mention it.

 

[37 chief]

Does your state charge a hazmat fee when buying welding supply's? I exchanged two welding tanks, and got charged 10.00 hazmat fee. If I thought it did some good I would fee better about it. Or is it just a state money grab to be used on other projects. Just carious I paid 75.00 for 110 size acetelene bottle, and 22.00 for 125 size ox bottle. Is this about what you guys out east pay? My rant for the day. Stan

To me this is a money grab by someone. This does no good what so ever. Someone tell me I'm wrong. Stan

 

[Watthour]

DOT has excise for transporting anything remotely hazardous on public roadways, from pressure vessels to motor fuels, commercial chemicals, fireworks, lubricants, batteries, and a host of other items. it used to be that those were all rolled into the price, and the customer never saw the itemized costs. Breaking out those costs is a lot more common now, since some sellers will advertise a low price, then show adders to meet regulations. Go buy a set of non-farm tires and you will see a huge difference between the advertised price and what you pay to get out the door.

"Do you want those balanced?"

Do you warrant them if they are not balanced?

"No."

"Are you going to take away the old tires?"

No.

"Then it will cost you $10 a tire for us to keep your old ones."

"Do you want new valve stems and pressure monitors?"

You see the progression.

Ironically, for some reason, legislators have allowed this for almost everything EXCEPT fuel, where in many states the price advertised on the big LED sign along the roadway is exactly what you pay for every gallon. And if you live in Ill-Noise, you realize that almost half the price is due to a multitude of taxes, fees, excise, and other costs not related to the actual product.