Hydaulics (with loader)

[Dcroteau]

The 600 I just picked up has a front loader on it, I have not seen any pictures in my researching of such a setup so was wondering if it is an aftermarket install?

The reason I ask, the hydraulics for the bucket work, but the Touch Control Lever does absolutely nothing for the 3-point. Could the install of the bucket possibly by-pass the feed to the 3-point?? The pump is plumbed into the framing of the loader. There is zero friction in the control lever, not sure if there should be some

 

[Kirk-NJ]

Looks like a Wagner loader. Might have been a trip bucket, got a cylinder and plumbed thru 3pt.

 

[Dcroteau]

Thanks for the response, but no clue what that means...is the 3-point not getting an pressure from the pump? Trying figure out how to get the 3-point working.

 

[Larry NCKS]

Are they separate systems. I can't really tell if there is a hose going from the loader to the back of the tractor or under the tractor seat.

Take close up pictures of the controls. Does it have a pump mounted to the front of the crankshaft.

Just a stab in the dark here, but . . .

1. your loader either has it's own hydraulic system

2. or there is a valve held on demand that powers valves on the loader.

From your pics, I'm betting on the former. If the latter is the case, the 3 point won't work while that valve is on demand.

 

[Dcroteau]

I was finally able to get some more photos, it seems the pump has been re-routed to directly power the lift, bypassing the feed back into the housing which operates the 3 pt...

If this is the case, how do I get the 3pt up and running again? Can I install a manifold at the pump to feed both systems?

 

[Dr ken]

(quoted from post at 05:16:41 04/06/19) The 600 I just picked up has a front loader on it, I have not seen any pictures in my researching of such a setup so was wondering if it is an aftermarket install?

The reason I ask, the hydraulics for the bucket work, but the Touch Control Lever does absolutely nothing for the 3-point. Could the install of the bucket possibly by-pass the feed to the 3-point?? The pump is plumbed into the framing of the loader. There is zero friction in the control lever, not sure if there should be some

. So the pump on the front of the tractor was added to operate the loader. the pump for the tractor three point should be on the right side below the battery gear driven off the flywheel?

 

[Dr ken]

(quoted from post at 05:16:41 04/06/19) The 600 I just picked up has a front loader on it, I have not seen any pictures in my researching of such a setup so was wondering if it is an aftermarket install?

The reason I ask, the hydraulics for the bucket work, but the Touch Control Lever does absolutely nothing for the 3-point. Could the install of the bucket possibly by-pass the feed to the 3-point?? The pump is plumbed into the framing of the loader. There is zero friction in the control lever, not sure if there should be some

. So the pump on the front of the tractor was added to operate the loader. the pump for the tractor three point should be on the right side below the battery gear driven off the flywheel?

 

[Sean in PA]

As Dr. Ken said, that pump on the front of the tractor was added to just operate the loader. The 3 point lift pump is mounted on the right side of the engine back by the flywheel. The 3 point pump also has a drive on the rear that poewers the proof meter (tachometer) cable.

The loader and its pump should have nothing to do with the 3 point not working, other than the tractor may have been used strictly as a loader for a long time and the 3 point system was neglected, so it looks like a complete R&R of the 3 point hydraulic top cover is in order to make sure everything is in proper working order.

 

[Dcroteau]

So what the plan of attach, confirm the original pump off the rear of engine/flywheel is still there...

and 2) remove the cover to take a look inside ? Which cover should be removed, the one just aft of the gear shift lever? Under the seat?

 

[Sean in PA]

(quoted from post at 10:01:51 04/15/19)
So what the plan of attach, confirm the original pump off the rear of engine/flywheel is still there...

and 2) remove the cover to take a look inside ? Which cover should be removed, the one just aft of the gear shift lever? Under the seat?

Go to the link near the top of this page that says "Ford", then click on "600" on the next page. Then scroll down and click on "Manuals".

Buy yourself the 600 Operators Manual and a Service Manual. Your choice between the Ford Factory Service Manual or the I&T FO-20 after market Service Manual. I recommend the I&T manual because the Ford manual specifies some adjustments inside the hydraulic system needing special tools that are no longer readily available, and the I&T manual gives alternate adjustment procedures that do not need those specialized tools. The Operator's Manual covers basic maintenance items like changing fluids and filters, so the Service Manuals do not cover those as they assume that you already have an Operator's Manual.

 

[Dcroteau]

Thanks, I have already purchased the Operators' Manual (and was surprised with some of the info provided). The Service Manual is definitely needed it seems. She also over heated the other day, so sounds like I need to replace the thermostat as well.

 

[Dcroteau]

Here is a photo of the current hyd pump (seems to be there still which is good). Is everything mentioned internal to the pump, I don't see any drive that would operate the proof meter.

 

[Sean in PA]

The threaded fitting on the end of the pump facing toward the rear of the tractor is where you connect the proof meter cable.

That is the earlier style gear pump. Get a service manual and start going through the troubleshoting steps for the lift not working. It could be the pump, or the unloader valve stuck open or a few other things.

 

[Dcroteau]

Already ordered it, thanks.

 

[Dr ken]

Just thinking? did you check trans - hydraulic oil level on tractor

 

[Dcroteau]

The dipstick looked good, so I will take the cover off and peek inside.