IBC totes in pickup

[JimS]

May a class C licensed driver haul a 275 gallon IBC tote in the back of a pickup, assuming the truck is weight rated for that? May a class C get an N (tanker) endorsement on a class C license?

 

[showcrop]

275 is way short of the 1,000 gal threshold.

 

[moresmoke]

So far as I know, the only commercial endorsements for a Single vehicle under 26k license are bus (passenger or school) and hazmat.

I said it that way, because here in ND when you get a commercial endorsement and hold a class D it becomes a class C which is a CDL. Nice and straight forward.

 

[john in la]

A class C CDL is for trucks under 26,000 lbs that haul 16 or more people or Hazmat in quantiles that require placards.
For a class A or B you need to be over 26,000 lbs.
So a guy driving a sewerage pumping truck that has a 20,000 gvw with a 2000 gallon tank falls under state law.
Your state may require a special license usually a class D.

On a side note.
The old rules for a tanker endorsement on a CDL required a single tank 1000 gallons or more.
Under the new rules it includes bulk containers (119 gallons or more such as totes) if you you have enough to add up to 1000 gallons.
So you can haul three 250 gallon totes without a tanker endorsement but if you haul four 250 gallon totes (total of 1000 gallons) you need a tanker endorsement.
Again this only applies if your truck is rated for more than 26,000 lbs.
And it does not matter if the tank or totes are empty or full.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

I am curious as to what the back story to this question is.

Were you pulled over by law enforcement and told this?

Is one of the old farmers sipping coffee at the local diner handing you a line of baloney?

I don't think anyone, in the history of man, ever thought twice about putting an IBC tote in the back of their pickup, filling it with whatever, and hitting the road. They just did it.

 

[bamaray]

It also depends what is in the tote. If you are hauling a product that has to be placard you will need CDL with Haz-Mat

 

[newhollandnut]

My theory on all things dot related is put farm tags on it and go. But Indiana is pretty easy on farmers

 

[SVcummins]

So long as you dont use ratchet straps or cam type binders or build your own hitch you are golden

 

[504]

You are missing one more thing about the hazmat law. Over 1001 lbs is a reportable quantity,(some
things less)more insurance,hazmat endorsement,annual dot inspection. And did I mention lots of
insurance.

 

[caterpillar guy]

there are a lot of exemptions for farm use on things like this.Compared to commercial use. If just for water movement I would just load and go. If for chemical use (spraying ag chemical on field) I would still load and go.

 

[showcrop]

(quoted from post at 20:34:52 08/28/21) My theory on all things dot related is put farm tags on it and go. But Indiana is pretty easy on farmers

Newhollandnut, you are right that almost always works. It can get sticky though when some little old lady pulls out in front of you and suddenly every little thing is getting inspected.

 

[1948CaseVAI]

Why would you even ask? Just do what you need to do and do not worry about it.

 

[SVcummins]

These little old ladies sure run rampant around your neck of
the woods dont they . Whenever youre driving I dont care if
you are hauling a 60,000 pound excavator or driving a Toyota
Camry you should be watching far enough ahead when the
little old does appear shes not a problem

 

[showcrop]

(quoted from post at 11:31:56 08/29/21) These little old ladies sure run rampant around your neck of
the woods dont they . Whenever youre driving I dont care if
you are hauling a 60,000 pound excavator or driving a Toyota
Camry you should be watching far enough ahead when the
little old does appear shes not a problem

Well SV, how about this. A lady was passing me and the second she got to where she could see past my hood she saw that her exit was right there. She not only swerved to right in front of me she also slammed on the brakes. I was doing under the speed limit and my equipment was all good. So you tell me how you avoid a situation like that. You are the only one on your road, but 90% of us have plenty of other drivers on the road with us most of the time.

 

[jimg.allentown]

I don't understand why you would even ask a question like this here. You will get a whole assortment of answers that are mostly wrong or just partly right. If there is only one thing I learned in 20 years of trucking, it is that most drivers will NEVER open the rule book - even though they are issued a new one every year. The vast majority of drivers take hearsay (usually many times removed from the book) from other drivers who are not even qualified to discuss the subject.

For the most part, you should ask your local DOT cops. But, also be warned that there are more than a few that don't know the rules themselves. Some of the ones I encountered in my day were almost humorous.

Example - Do you need a logbook to cross a state line in a commercial vehicle? NO! But if you ask 10 drivers you might get one correct answer.

When it comes to hazardous materials and licensing requirements, the rule book is the ONLY place to look for answers.

 

[Bret4207]

(quoted from post at 19:48:30 08/29/21) I don't understand why you would even ask a question like this here. You will get a whole assortment of answers that are mostly wrong or just partly right. If there is only one thing I learned in 20 years of trucking, it is that most drivers will NEVER open the rule book - even though they are issued a new one every year. The vast majority of drivers take hearsay (usually many times removed from the book) from other drivers who are not even qualified to discuss the subject.

For the most part, you should ask your local DOT cops. But, also be warned that there are more than a few that don't know the rules themselves. Some of the ones I encountered in my day were almost humorous.

Example - Do you need a logbook to cross a state line in a commercial vehicle? NO! But if you ask 10 drivers you might get one correct answer.

When it comes to hazardous materials and licensing requirements, the rule book is the ONLY place to look for answers.

I hereby nominate the above post for the "POST OF THE DECADE AWARD"!!!!!

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

(quoted from post at 15:48:30 08/29/21) I don't understand why you would even ask a question like this here. You will get a whole assortment of answers that are mostly wrong or just partly right. If there is only one thing I learned in 20 years of trucking, it is that most drivers will NEVER open the rule book - even though they are issued a new one every year. The vast majority of drivers take hearsay (usually many times removed from the book) from other drivers who are not even qualified to discuss the subject.

For the most part, you should ask your local DOT cops. But, also be warned that there are more than a few that don't know the rules themselves. Some of the ones I encountered in my day were almost humorous.

Example - Do you need a logbook to cross a state line in a commercial vehicle? NO! But if you ask 10 drivers you might get one correct answer.

When it comes to hazardous materials and licensing requirements, the rule book is the ONLY place to look for answers.

Yeah, ask any two DOT officers a question and you're guaranteed to get between 3 and 5 different answers.

The rule book is sufficiently vague and open to interpretation, which explains why you get so many different answers from the DOT officers.

But again, the question was about an IBC tote in a pickup truck. Not even close to commercial.

 

[jimg.allentown]

Not even close to commercial???

First thing - ANYTHING that requires placards is automatically under commercial laws whether it is commercial or
not.

Second thing - what is/was in the tote(s)? ANY reportable quantity of hazmat requires a CDL with Hazmat endorsement
whether it is on a tractor trailer or a Smart mini car. Again, commercial.

Lastly, when you DO get stopped, and the cop asks you who said you could do that, what do you want to tell him?
Yesterday's tractor forums or a bona fide cop?