id engine on gleaner e3

[wjkrostek]

I have a gleaner e3 and they used two different engines in them and use different oil filters and the book says not to mix them up. I can't find out how to get the serial number off the engine. Does anyone know where to find the id. I must have the right oil filter thats on there now but I'd like to know for sure. Other question is how are you supposed to get to the carb. is there a better way or a best way. I'm not that nimble any more. One more question The engine runs hot and sometimes I can see little air bubbles in the rad.(but not always) So I did a compression check and they are 150. 145, 140, 150 (cold) The plugs look good but #3 is a little black others are white/tan and clean. could it be a head gasket?

 

[wjkrostek]

I posted this in the wrong place but the engine is the same I'm told as the d17 so i may get the answer here too. Sorry one day I'll learn this computer stuff out. Bill

 

[tomstractorsandtoys1]

I was not aware that it used more than one engine.I thought all used a D-17 engine.Where is your info coming from.Maybe check other sources like a Baldwin filter dealer or Napa.

 

[wjkrostek]

I think its the same engine but they changed something with the oiling system (the pump)so they have a different by-pass valve in the filter. It's in the gleaner service manual. they show a picture but I didn't find where to find the serial numbers. but it made me think what is the number and where do you find it? engine to serial # 17-19978 and below use 7 to 9 lbs by-pass and above they use a 12 to 13 lb by-pass. page 95 in mine.

 

[Bob Bancroft]

Some Gleaners had a removable access panel in the back of the grain bin. Apparently yours doesn't. The serial number is stamped into the block sort of behind the carb.
You have to be careful asking for an oil filter for a D17. The early ones had a partial flow system and used the same filter as the WD/WD45 etc. The late ones, and the successors- 170-175, used a full flow filter system. I am also not aware of any other filter differences.

 

[Skyhighballoon(MO)]

Bill - your E3 has a 8:1 compression z-code 226 Allis engine. It has the full-flow oil system. Uses a Baldwin B6 or Fram PH11 (get at least one level up in Fram, not the plain orange one) or Motorcraft FL1A filter.

No engine variations in the E3. The combnie service manual just uses the engine pages pages copied from an older D17 manual that covers early versions of the D17 from late 50's that did have the bypass oiling system with different filters. Mike

 

[wjkrostek]

Glad to hear you chip in Mike. What did you think of the compression test numbers. I tried to run her hot today to see if I could get some bubbles but I couldn't. You would think with numbers like that the head gasket would be fine. I think the temperature gage is reading high and it was showing on the hot side but was 180 degrees when I temp her. I think she will run better this year. I hope the oats don't lodge and give her a chance this year but they are already over 4 ft high in places and just starting to clear milk. I'll take her on a road trip to see if you can run for an hour without Overheating. I changed the wire to number 3 cyl and it cleared up the fouling problem.

 

[Skyhighballoon(MO)]

Bill - sent you e-mail. Mike

 

[rustymn]

I have been told there are 3 different motors,
17-xxxxx-m is the d17 motor with 7.2 compression
17-xxxxx-z has 8.0 compression (found in e, e3 gleaners)
17-xxxxx-v has 8.2 compression found in the 170 tractors.
as for different oil pressures, they changed the gear on the oil pump to get higher volume. i have an e3 motor in my wd45, can someone tell me the horsepower for the z motor.

 

[CTucker]

There is no bypass in the filter.
The "by pass" system used the cotton packed filter to restrict flow in order to build up pressure. As the filter restricted flow, the rest of the oil went to bearings and rockers so only part was filtered.
The later 226 engine had a full flow system so all the oil is filtered and the filter has no bearing on the pressure in the system.