IH 464 Bewildering problem

[Cuznguido]

Just put a clutch in a 464, with no issues, pretty straightforward project. Stuck it all back together and everything is fine...except...the steering is backwards. There are 4 hydraulic lines that run to the front end. Two of them are to the cooler. Two others are for steering and they are sized slightly different to prevent getting them crossed. So what on earth happened here and how do I fix it?

 

[JimB2]

Are the steering hydraulic lines steel or rubber? On my brother's 454 Diesel the steering lines are rubber hydraulic hose and there is sufficient slack that you do not have to disconnect them to do a clutch job.

I would verify that the PS lines are connected correctly??

 

[Cuznguido]

Thanks for your comment. My lines are metal and the connections are just enough difference in size that it would be almost impossible to get them reversed. I am totally confused as to what can possibly be causing this. I have done these clutches before and never had this happen.

 

[MARK ROBKE]

I am sure you reversed those lines somehow, somewhere. I did it once on a 485, or a 585. Mark.

 

[Cuznguido]

Yep, that was my first thought, not a big deal I thought. So I went to reverse them and they wont fit. But I will figure something out. Thanks, appreciate your input, and I would like to think you are correct.

 

[Powered By IH]

Never worked on one before but can you possibly mix up the oil cooler lines and the power steering lines?
Like running the power steering through the oil cooler?

 

[Cuznguido]

Never worked on one before but can you possibly mix up the oil cooler lines and the power steering lines?
Like running the power steering through the oil cooler?

You could but it have to be intentional, so actually no. I only unhooked 3 of the lines. One was totally different (cooler), but the other two are sise by side and look to be identical. But either I am doing something really wrong and dont know it, or the lines are not exactly the same size. I tried to switch them to cure the problem and they are of slightly different size. I am gonna attack it again tomorrow and I hope I have just done another Olfart trick, and it will sort out. Crossed fingers.

 

[used red MN]

You could but it have to be intentional, so actually no. I only unhooked 3 of the lines. One was totally different (cooler), but the other two are sise by side and look to be identical. But either I am doing something really wrong and dont know it, or the lines are not exactly the same size. I tried to switch them to cure the problem and they are of slightly different size. I am gonna attack it again tomorrow and I hope I have just done another Olfart trick, and it will sort out. Crossed fingers.

My question is did you possibly disconnect the steering lines elsewhere such as up by the hydrostatic section by the steering wheel? I would suggest keeping an open mind about diagnosing this. I have no idea what the lines look like but if there is any chance what you think is the cooler line but may actually be a steering line this should be kept as an open possibility. Lastly did you do any work to the steering linkage up front? I can’t hardly see these mechanical parts switched around but anything is possible.

 

[Cuznguido]

My question is did you possibly disconnect the steering lines elsewhere such as up by the hydrostatic section by the steering wheel? I would suggest keeping an open mind about diagnosing this. I have no idea what the lines look like but if there is any chance what you think is the cooler line but may actually be a steering line this should be kept as an open possibility. Lastly did you do any work to the steering linkage up front? I can’t hardly see these mechanical parts switched around but anything is possible.

Good questions, all, and tomorrow I will find out. Definitely working on keeping an open mind. I have obviously made a mistake somewhere.

 

[Mrfred54]

Cooler lines are 3/8 in size, steering lines are 1/2 in size. Impossible to mix up. Steering line connections are about 4 inches apart from each other, dont see how you can cross them. Guessing after 40-50 year old tractor you don't have original lines from factory. So maybe they could be crossed

 

[MARK ROBKE]

I am sure you reversed those lines somehow, somewhere. I did it once on a 485, or a 585. Mark.

As I recall, when I split these tractors, I marked the lines because they were the same size. I disconnected them on the left side near the rear of the head, as I recall. I don't believe I ever split a 464, but over a dozen 485's, 574's, 585's, and 695's, so I can't say about your tractor's lines being different sizes. Mark.

 

[rustred]

If it worked correctly before the tear down. And it works opposite now it sure appears the the lines are crossed. Cause what else could it be ? Cause the pump is pumping and you have pres. To turn the steering.

 

[Cuznguido]

Appreciate all the comments and what you all say makes sense. I have studied this and done everything I know to do. Problem is the lines are crossed. They are both metal lines virtually sise by side and ALMOST identical. They will connect easily and tighten right up and not leak. But steering is backwards. Disconnect the lines and switch them and one will thread right in, no problem. The other absolutely refuses to connect. The fittings also take two different size wrenches. Totally baffles me.

 

[JimB2]

Those fittings have to be 100% in alignment to thread on.
Is there anyplace that you can loosen the hold down bracket on the line that will not thread on to align better?
On my brother's 684 with the steel lines we take them apart above the brake pedal shaft.

 

[Cuznguido]

Much thanks to all of you. We got it sorted. The biggest problem was my old feeble mind .

 

[Jim Becker]

So, what was it? Lines crossed or something else?

 

[Cuznguido]

In the beginning the lines were croseed. When I tried to correct that I could not get one of them reconnected. I only have one good eye which complicated the problem. We just straightened everything up real good to get proper alignment and it all worked out. I feel pretty stoopid, but that will heal .

 

[JimB2]

In the beginning the lines were croseed. When I tried to correct that I could not get one of them reconnected. I only have one good eye which complicated the problem. We just straightened everything up real good to get proper alignment and it all worked out. I feel pretty stoopid, but that will heal .

I totally understand, I am 77 years old and eye sight is not as good, I also work with my 10 year younger brother.

 

[Jim Becker]

I get it. I have 2 eyes that are about equally good/bad. I never have been able to drill a hole that was anywhere near perpendicular to what I drilled.

Thanks for the update on the resolution.