IH tractor/loader/backhoe weight?

[JDemaris]

I posted this in the general tractor forum also, so please excuse my reduncancy.

I'm trying to figure out the weight of a tractor/loader/hoe I've got parked in northern Michigan. I need a way of moving it between two properties I own about 15 miles apart. All flat roads, i.e. no big hills like here in NY. I've got a Ford F250 diesel truck also parked up there.
Has a gooseneck, ball, and pintle hitch on it.

I've got a chance to buy a 20' trailer cheap with dual Dexter 6000 lb. axles. I'm assuming it's got a safe load capacity around 9000 lbs.

The tractor is an International Harvester 3414 with loader, 3121 hoe on the rear, AND a stack of 8 counterweights in front.

I know that the tractor and front loader weighs around 5200 lbs. Rear 3121 backhoe must be around 3200 lbs. But what do those front weights weigh? Anybody know? Has a weight-box on front with 8 counterweights. Each weight is IH part # 381216R1.

I don't mind overloading this trailer a bit since it's a short, slow-speed trip with no hills - but I don't want to push things too far. I wouldn't dare try it at home in these NY hills with a 3/4 ton truck.

Here at home I've got a Deere 300B loader-backhoe that looks similar in size to the IH. But my Deere weighs 11,000 lbs. If the IH weighs anywhere near that much, I'm not going to chance it. Front counterweight on the Deere is one piece and weighs 574 lbs.

 

[oldtanker]

Tractor is 5200 LBS, don't know about the loader or hoe but I would guess you are going to be real close to that 11k mark.

Rick

 

[BCnT]

does this trailer have gooseneck or bumper pull? gooseneck will haul more weight because of trasfer to tow vehicle...that and 10 ply tires should haul it no problem.

 

[Stephen Atkins]

Caint you just drive it from one farm to the other??

 

[JDemaris]

This trailer that is for sale is set up for a pintle hitch. My truck has a gooseneck hitch along with ball and pintle.

I would prefer a gooseneck trailer but I'm not going to spend any big bucks for such limited use. This trailer has a price tag of $850 which is pretty cheap for having dual 6000 lb. axles and 12 ply 16" tires.

As already suggested, maybe I'll just drive the backhoe when needed. The drip oil leaks are what worries me a bit in today's world. To some people, one drop of oil on the road is an "environental disaster."

I'd still like to find out the weight though. Main question in my mind is those IH counter-weights in front. There are 8 of them and they look like they be 150 - 200 lbs. each. I'd like to find out.

 

[MattE]

just measure approximate height, width, and length. Multiply all three together l x w x h and then multiply by .283 that will give you the approximate weight of the counterweight.

 

[M Diesel]

(quoted from post at 11:44:19 06/25/10) just measure approximate height, width, and length. Multiply all three together l x w x h and then multiply by .283 that will give you the approximate weight of the counterweight.

Nice trick

J, as industrials could easily be different but most general stackable IH weights are 75 or 100lb each for tolerable handling. Do these look special made?

I'm with oldtanker on the weight. It is over 9000 for sure. My M-Diesel is 8200 with loader and 3 point and fluid and me. I drive it from storage in town out to the farm (about 10 miles) when needed, partly because it is a pain to trailer, partly because I like the drive.

 

[Lou from Wi.]

Jde, I posted on the tractor forum,a suggestion for your consideration.Have a local hauler do the hauling for you, If as you worry about the enviormental issue of oil on the road causing you problems and possibly a fine, I would consider having the unit hauled by a local. WE did in fact use a wrecker with a roll down bed haul our tractor home from 80+ miles away and the cost was about $150.00.$75,00 for the crawler about 1.5 miles away. Given the fact that they both had to dead head back to their home base, it seemed really reasonable charges.Something to consider.Warmest reguards. LOU & VICTOR

 

[CAROGATOR]

JDE, my 3444 weights are 100 lbs by the manual. 3414 and 3414dozer tractor uses the same weights, carries eight also. The 3444 diesel w 3141 backhoe . my manuals do not show any vehicle weights.The man who hauled it to me used a F-350 w/welding bed and my 9 ton john deere trailer. It threw him all over the road and burned out his breaks on level ground. He swears he will never pull another one. couln"t get over 35 mph.

 

[Coffeecreek]

I hauled a 350ud with pippin loader and hoe about 7 miles , only small hills , dead of winter , on a goose , on a v10 superduty . Wouldn't want to do it alot . Wouldn't wanna do it with pintle at all . That set up was 9,000 lb plus without weights . Chickened out on the last 2 td6-62's and hire'd it done . Cost less than new brakes on truck , let alone an accident . Just my 2 cent .

 

[Derek-U.P.]

My 3414 gasser probably has more road miles than trailer miles. Drove it 82 miles one way once. Took all day,but is was 36 degrees that day. Also remember a 3414 is like a detroit diesel,only work good when there is as much oil on the outside as inside.

 

[JDemaris]

Thanks. The 100 lbs. per weight was the main thing I've been trying to figure. Seems the machine much be a total weight of 9200 to 9500 lbs.

I know what you mean about hauling nightmares.

Last year I hired a guy to truck my little Ford backhoe up north of me to the Adirondacks of New York. 120 miles high up into the mountains. The hoe is a Ford 4000 with 723 and 724 hoe and loader.
This is a small setup that weighs around 7500 lbs. in total.

Well the guy put it on his gooseneck trailer and pulled it with a 2000 Ford F-350 dually with a turbo 7.3 diesel. By the time he got to the destination, he was a nervous wreck and told me he'd never do it again. In fact, a few months later he sold his stuff and quit trucking.

This deal in Michigan though is all flat and not very far. But, I think maybe I'm just going to drive the hoe. If I ever get a deal on a cheap gooseneck trailer with at least a 10,000 lb. carry capacity, maybe I'll reconsider. Seems pulling with a 9000 lb. carry-capacity trailer hooked to a pintle on a single-wheel truck is pushing things a bit.

Last summer I hauled my 420 crawler with 90 loader with the same truck in the same area, and I really felt it. I'd never do it again. It may tip the scales at over 9,000 lbs. - I'm not sure.
420 Deere crawler with 90 loader, many counterweights and a winch on the back, and a extra pair of tracks were all on the trailer.

 

[JDemaris]

Lou, if I knew somebody reasonable and local I'd much prefer to hire a trucker. But, I don't. This is a situation where I might want to go back and forth several times on an ad-hoc basis. Anybody that I know of that does trucking lives at least 30 miles distant. It's a rural area. Those that I've called don't charge for "loaded miles." They charge all miles, from their doorstep and back. So, at the least, I'd be getting charged 75 - 90 miles of trucking for a 15 mile one-way loaded trip.

Even here at home in NY, I don't know anybody that I'd call "reasonable" anymore.

Last summer, a friend of mine across town wanted to borrow mys Allis Chalmers HD6 dozer. It weighs around 14,000 lbs. Well, just so happened that my neighbor was just leaving his house with his Mack truck and empty trailer (he's got his own dirt-moving business). So, I asked if he had time to stick my Allis on his trailer and move one mile across town. And he was already headed that direction anyway. Yeah, he did. Took him less then one hour in total, to load, unload etc. He charged my friend $150 for the one-way ride. One mile and took a little over 1/2 hour. We didn't even tie it down since it was such a short ride and no hills.

The reason I need the backhoe moved is to build some roads on some property I own and just put up for sale. In the long run, I might actually be better off just hiring someone to build the roads - but that remains to be seen. I've already got a wheeled backhoe and a Deere crawler loader up there. Seems a shame to hire out, unless pretty cheap. I've got 10 acres of hay fields to mow and maybe a 1/4 mile of road to build in a swampy and sandy area.

 

[Lou from Wi.]

J de, years ago when I bought the J.d 420 with a loader bucket, full weight package on the rear,I loaded it up in a field, dug a pit, used cement blocks to make a slight ramp, put in on a ton 1/2 Gmc brove it the back way home found a slight hill,unloaded it. wouldn't ever try that again, On the way home, the wife kept hearing PING every now and then. Was the wheel studs on the GMC breaking and falling off, When we got it home, ONLY 3 lugs was holding on the right front wheel. Now talk about DUMB. What an adventure that would have been if the wheel fell off. Never would consider that stunt again, so I built a trailer just for that unit. Did a lot of work for customers,ie.back filling around basements, etc. Built another trailer for the bobcat and it could carry the O.C. just fine. Still all in all, with insurance cost, plates and the traffic hastle, I found it cheaper to have truckers/Wreckers do the work of hauling. REguards LOU.

 

[Lou from Wi.]

J de. Was a mis print on the size of the truck !!!! was a TON & 1/2 GMC NOT A 1/2 ton. Sorry. LOU

 

[Lou from Wi.]

Jde. is there a bob cat or skid steer dealer near you that rents trailers? We have one in Barron (50 miles away that rents 14K for 60 bucks a day.I can see why you are reluctant to hire any one to do the hauling, Today it all comes down to Gouge & rob. Dam shame. Sure hope you find a way to get the unit to your property where you need it.If it is a problem with Hyd seepage, I would wrap the lines/Fittings with plastic and duct tape to hold back the drip,drive it until I got it to home base then re-do the lines,/fittings.Sure hope you can succeed in the moving, Warmest reguards LOU& VICTOR