Industrial model???

[mike1544]

The decal says 50 II but the serial tag is missing off the dash.
It has a 1983 Perkins 4.236 and a shuttle shift.

 

[mike1544]

Sorry, the editing rules arent allowing my 100kb JPEG image to be uploaded to help identifying it. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Eric in IL]

You need to make 5 posts before the forum will allow pictures. You can go to the test page and rack up a few test posts.

 

[mike1544]

Thanks for that. I went to the FAQ like a good newbie but never saw that stipulation.
Cheers 😊

 

[mike1544]

 

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[mike1544]

The tractor sat for 15 years in a swampy area so hence all the rust. Its an easy fix for me as the bones were good on it, and it was very cheap to buy.
The ID tag is missing from the dash though and I want to get the right workshop manual.
Ive already rebuilt the engine with an out of the frame kit, although I left it in the frame. Rear seal and rear bearing stayed in as the other mains looked perfect. No cover for the exhaust so the muffler rotted and filled number 2 with water 🤷‍♂️

Any identification would be great.

I found a compatible model being the 3305 but not really sure to be honest.

 

[Jim.ME]

(quoted from post at 10:39:07 02/25/21) The tractor sat for 15 years in a swampy area so hence all the rust. Its an easy fix for me as the bones were good on it, and it was very cheap to buy.
The ID tag is missing from the dash though and I want to get the right workshop manual.
Ive already rebuilt the engine with an out of the frame kit, although I left it in the frame. Rear seal and rear bearing stayed in as the other mains looked perfect. No cover for the exhaust so the muffler rotted and filled number 2 with water 🤷‍♂️

Any identification would be great.

I found a compatible model being the 3305 but not really sure to be honest.

It may be a later model 50 series. It looks like the square sheet metal started with the 50A series. The A series used the 4.203 and the C series used the 4.236 according to TractorData. You can see the parts books for the MF industrials around this vintage at https://apb.agcocorp.com/ .

Or, on the search page click the Browse Button and you will get a drop down of manufacturers. Click Massey Ferguson, Parts Books, Tractors, Industrial. Those steps should get you to a dropdown list of the industrial models and you will find the 50 model, and its various series, in that list. HTH

 

[mike1544]

Thanks for the comment "Jim.ME"
Did it help? Unfortunately not. I had the same info from Tractor Data as well.

Maybe instead of directing people to the Agco website with your copy and paste instructions, send them straight to
www.agcopubs.com/

It has the same search function but no convoluted sign in gimmickry 👍

 

[Jim.ME]

(quoted from post at 22:53:51 03/25/21) Thanks for the comment "Jim.ME"
Did it help? Unfortunately not. I had the same info from Tractor Data as well.

Maybe instead of directing people to the Agco website with your copy and paste instructions, send them straight to
www.agcopubs.com/

It has the same search function but no convoluted sign in gimmickry 👍

Sorry you found my instructions convoluted.

The info and steps were intended to guide you to/into the parts books, not the publications site. Clicking View Books should have taken you to the parts book search page, no sign in required. Using the various industrial parts books you could compare your machine to the various 50 series models by viewing the different books and comparing the parts like engine, dash, front axle, and sheet metal to yours. Those are a few things that commonly help ID these machines.

Clicking on AGCOPubs, at the lower right, should have taken you right to that site, no sign in required or other steps to get there. However you need the right info (your correct model) at the publications site to get the right books, I didn't see where directing you to that site would help ID your machine.

It appears they will be making changes to the web site on or about May 28, 2021, so what or how, things will be accessed will change.

 

[scoobieguy]

That is a 50H model http://www.tractordata.com/backhoe-loader/000/1/9/196-massey-ferguson-50h.html

On the part book link, click browse, massey fergusson, parts books, tractors, industrial and near the bottom you will have

819766: 50H / HX 60H TRAC. BACKHOE LDR. SERIES 'S'
819781: 50H / HX 60H TRAC. BACKHOE LDR. SERIES 'T'
819722: 50H / HX 60H TRACTOR, BACKHOE, LOADER

 

[scoobieguy]

You have a 50H industrial model if you browse the parts book you will see the

819766: 50H / HX 60H TRAC. BACKHOE LDR. SERIES 'S'
819781: 50H / HX 60H TRAC. BACKHOE LDR. SERIES 'T'
819722: 50H / HX 60H TRACTOR, BACKHOE, LOADER

 

[mecheng87]

Scoobieguy, you could be right but the dash and grilles dont match. To me this looks like a British or Australian MF 50 they tend to have more of the side shift backhoes, loaders with that bucket linkage and that style rear wheel fenders

 

[Jim.ME]

The 250 II loader and the 252 MKII hoe in the North American parts books look very much like this loader and hoe setup.

 

[Jim.ME]

It might help to know the general location of the machine as not all the models were the same around the world.

 

[mike1544]

Thanks fellas for the tips.
Im in Australia.
I mainly wanted the model details to rebuild the 4.236. I ended up disassembling it to measure the piston width and length and ordered the rebuild kit from there. #2 sleeve was badly pitted from being a water container for 15 years.
Its back up and running now, 85PSI oil pressure 😁

I had to replace all the hydro hoses and fittings on the loader to lower it. Its tag I can see now says its a 1407 model. The 3 in 1 bucket was made by a South Australian company and all its hard and flexible hoses need replacing now. Thats my next job.

All the 50Bs, Cs etc after the 50A have a slanted bottom on the front grill. My grill (its bloody heavy) stands up by itself when on the ground. Plus my Hydraulic lines exit out the passengers side (Im in Aust remember. For you Northern Hemisphere dwellers itll be your drivers side)

Anyway, thanks for the comments. Ill head off to the parts site and check out the 50H anyways.

Cheers.

 

[mike1544]

Heres my progress so far 😊

 

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[mike1544]

It certainly looks like the bare bones of a 50H, but as stated the grill is different (slanted bottom). It appears it might be a 50H underneath because the motor, manufacture dates, etc work out. Perhaps the Aust factory fitted the MF40 hoe and different grills to their fleets? My dash on the left side has a long strip of warning lights in a plastic housing. I havent seen anything like it on any other dash setup.

It all doesnt matter really, if I need to replace anything Ill just worry about it when the time comes 🤷‍♂️

Thanks for your advice anyway. 👍

 

[Jim.ME]

Knowing now where you are located, it is easy to understand why things wouldn't match up fully with what we were looking at nor our parts catalogs. There are a few folks who post here who are familiar with the European and Australian models who will likely be along and may have more info for you.

I think it will be a case of our North American parts books will be similar in the models but there will be differences. Someone may know where you can get the right parts books. I don't find a Model 1407 loader in the North American books. It appears the base tractor is a MF40 model by the other tag you posted.

Sounds like you have a good engine now. Your work is paying off, it is looking better and should be a good machine for you when done. Good luck, Best regards.
Jim

 

[Jim.ME]

Is the MF40 Tag on the tractor or on the hoe? After reading through your posts again I think it might be on the hoe, sorry if I located it wrong before.

 

[mike1544]

(quoted from post at 21:34:27 04/07/21)
Is the MF40 Tag on the tractor or on the hoe? After reading through your posts again I think it might be on the hoe, sorry if I located it wrong before.

Yep, sorry Jim.ME. The MF40 tag is off the hoe.

Im mechanically minded so the hydro and mechanic hassles are easily overcome. I was just being lazy and trying to go the easy route. My engine rebuild kit took a month to assemble even though I had the engine number identified. Turns out theres several variations and internal sizes of 4.236 engines (piston widths and lengths, balance unit or not, etc) it was a hassle but I got there in the end.

Luckily all the hydraulic fittings are universal ones and not obscure obsolete fittings. JIC for the win 😂

Cheers for your reply.