International 504 loader install

[reh4960]

Hi new to site in desperate need of some advice. I just put a loader on my old international 504 gas tractor. I have a new joystick I would like to use but can not figure out how to hook it up. I was going to take off the big line coming out of the pump and put a tee and run that to the in on joystick but was told my power steering would not work if I did that I'm at a loss. What about the 2 hoses going to the back? But was told bucket would be slow. I've been googleing for days and can't figure it out. The tractor should have everything needed to hook it up besides the hoses. I can't put much into it as the tractor is not in greatest shape uses about as much oil as gas. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

 

[caterpillar guy]

A power beyond plate would be the easiest way and since it looks like you have a plate end on your valve it would just eed possibly longer bolts and the power beyond plate. Which I can not see real well I think maybe one from most of the 06,56,66 series may fit which would make it a lot easier to find. IF they would they will be a pricey thing in the $2-500 range if you find one it will probably be in a junkyard unless somebody has one and will part with it. It will need to fit your valve on the side of it. Those 3 bolts look to be what hold it on there. Then the rest is easy just couple your lines to the in and out ports on your valve. IF you want the loader to be removable just connect the lines together on the ends when done so the oil can flow from one port to the other when the loader is off. SO I would probably use the opposite ends on the hosesat the valve so you could do that when you unhooked them and to keep dirt out of the couplers.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

They're correct, a tee won't work. This is an open center hydraulic system which means there must be one path for the hydraulic fluid to flow through the entire system. If you put a tee in, you create two paths, and the hydraulic fluid will always take the path of least resistance, and nothing will work.

The exception to that is the priority valve for the power steering. That "tees" off flow but it does in a way that doesn't leave two open paths. It's not a good option for the loader, because it takes away flow from the rest of the system, and you want the most flow you can get.

The simplest and least expensive way to add your joystick valve is to simply connect the IN and OUT of the joystick valve to the two quick couplers on the rear of your tractor, then tying the remote lever on the right side of the seat back. You may need to swap hoses to get the IN and OUT correct.

Second alternative is the power beyond plate suggested above.

Third, you CAN connect to that output line from the pump, but the valve has to be IN LINE, not teed off. So, from the pump to the IN on the valve, and from the OUT on the valve back to that line.

 

[Jim Becker]

Third, you CAN connect to that output line from the pump, but the valve has to be IN LINE, not teed off. So, from the pump to the IN on the valve, and from the OUT on the valve back to that line.

If you do that, your added valve should be a power beyond valve and needs to have a pressure relief valve. That will require a third connection from the valve back to the reservoir.

 

[used red MN]

Hello reh, welcome to YT! I had this typed last night but did not hit post. As said, if you don’t have a use for the original auxiliary remote couplers in the last picture you can run the loader right off of those. They are set up to deliver the full flow that your system will produce. If you want to keep the remotes open for other uses you will need a “power beyond” set up as was also mentioned by others. I don’t know the exact differences of the x66 series valves but it looks like the anything up to the x56 series uses the same remote valves as far as I see in terms of needs for valves needed to add the “power beyond” plate. If you look at the “1466 loader hydraulics” post current in discussion on this IH forum, most of the information and the video “roughly” apply to what you would need to do to set up “power beyond on this tractor.

 

[used red MN]

If you do that, your added valve should be a power beyond valve and needs to have a pressure relief valve. That will require a third connection from the valve back to the reservoir.

Also in that configuration all other hydraulic functions such as the steering will “pause” while you use a function on the loader.

 

[reh4960]

Thanks for all the replies they were very helpful. I think for now probably temporarily I'm going to use the 2 lines going to the back and when using the loader just bungee the original remote on tractor back. I would've liked to keep those open but will probably never use them anyway.

 

[Weldon K]

Thanks for all the replies they were very helpful. I think for now probably temporarily I'm going to use the 2 lines going to the back and when using the loader just bungee the original remote on tractor back. I would've liked to keep those open but will probably never use them anyway.

Power beyond plates are available from YT site ( where you are now) https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Farmall-856_Power-Beyond-Block-Control-End-Cover_398316R1.html (It states 856 , that does not matter, it WILL work as all valves on all tractors are the same)
$477.00 Power beyonds are available from other sources on internet for much less. If you do use a power beyond and take the loader off or disconnect lines from power beyond to loader, DO NOT put plugs in the ports of power beyond.
You MUST put a loop of hose from the out port to the return port of the power beyond. If you don't , something will blow and cause damage.
Simplest thing for you to do is use a hose from one of the rear couplers to the inlet of your loader joystick valve body and then another hose from loader joystick valve back to the other rear coupler. Tie the lever of tractor auxiliary valve rearward securely to send flow of oil to your loader. Test operation of your joystick. If it operates loader in directions you want, then you are good to go. If loader operates "backward" of what you want, swap the positions of hoses in the tractor couplers. Use some 90 degree els as seen in my picture below, on your hoses from couplers to your joystick valve.

 

[jwal10]

Growing up we had a Dunham-Lehr loader on a 504 run off the remote. We also used it on a 706. Very quick easy change over, that way. We had the original 2 lever valve that came with the loader....James

 

[MeanGene1]

Another option is a pump on the PTO- my 340 Utility has a Farmhand loader on it that appears to be for a large-frame tractor, and combined with the 18.4 tires from a Kubota on the back makes it look like Jack the Bear, until you let the clutch out lol. It is a strange tractor, has a gubmint serial plate on it, but has no hydraulics or 3pt, but has an IPTO- I have no idea what it was originally used for. The Farmhand is self-contained, with the PTO pump, which has a pass-thru shaft out the back, and the loader actually works quite well and pretty powerful. To make the tractor weirder, the PO attached a front cable unit from a D6 dozer, with the pass-thru PTO shaft hooked to the cable unit. He said he put it on there as a counterweight (!) and is pretty worthless installed that way, as it could only pull sideways. Thankfully he never fashioned up a lever to actuate the cable unit lol

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

Another option is a pump on the PTO- my 340 Utility has a Farmhand loader on it that appears to be for a large-frame tractor, and combined with the 18.4 tires from a Kubota on the back makes it look like Jack the Bear, until you let the clutch out lol. It is a strange tractor, has a gubmint serial plate on it, but has no hydraulics or 3pt, but has an IPTO- I have no idea what it was originally used for. The Farmhand is self-contained, with the PTO pump, which has a pass-thru shaft out the back, and the loader actually works quite well and pretty powerful. To make the tractor weirder, the PO attached a front cable unit from a D6 dozer, with the pass-thru PTO shaft hooked to the cable unit. He said he put it on there as a counterweight (!) and is pretty worthless installed that way, as it could only pull sideways. Thankfully he never fashioned up a lever to actuate the cable unit lol

It sounds like a "skid unit" that was extracted from whatever machine it was powering, and enough tractor parts were added to make it functional again. Chisholm-Ryder used skid units to power their various vegetable harvester machines. Commonly 240's, 340's, 504's and 656's.

 

[caterpillar guy]

Not all the valves are the same some models had 2 different valves like the 74 series utility models have 2 valves for them. Not sure what or why the difference but they are. I would also suspect there could be some older models that are different as well.