international small suare baler

[Steve Ga]

I have a friend with a int square baler,made in the 60`s or 70`s.I have the timing right and it ties but it does`n cut the twine?
I am familar with New Holland knotters,first time on int./don`t have model no. with me.
anyone know anything about this?

 

[georgeky]

If it is an older IH it has the same knotters as the NH. They both use McCormick Deering knotters. If it is the newer All Twine model it will have have a swing arm with a razor blade knive. These need to be put on new on a regular basis to cut good. Have no idea which you have, but new knives for All Twine knotters are available from CaseIH dealers. If you could post a pic of the baler,or knotter assembly, me or someone can identify it for you.

 

[JK-NY]

GeorgeKy is correct about twine knives.Try sharpening or replacing them and adjusting them correctly when installing. I have a Model 47 IH baler with the older style twine knives and found that when they needed sharpening it was usually a short term fix then I'd be replacing them as theyn would never hold an edge once the original edge got dull. If timing and needle s are right , almost all the problems with the IH knotters (loose or pulled apart knots, not cutting twine etc ) can be traced to the twine knives. These knotters dont have a wiper arm to knock off the knot, the bill hook faces backward when the knot is tied and the next charge of hay pushes off the knot. I believe it was John Deere that used similar knotters to NH.(Rasspe style )

 

[georgeky]

JD did use similiar knotters. Both were designed by McCormick Deering. Older IH balers also used them as well as others. The knotter you describe is the All Twine knotter. Previous to these they did use the stripper arm. Some 47/420/430, and maybe 440 balers could be bought new with either style of knotters on them. In other words all 47 balers did not have All Twine knotters on them. Properly adjusted and maintained the All Twine is as good as they come. Tie a cute little bow knot.

 

[johns48jdb]

keeping the area under the knotters clean makes a difference in where it will tie or not for some reason. i had a 440 that was so bad about that that i welded me a saddle on it for an air tank and when it would quit tieing i'd get off and blow trash out from under the knotters and it would go back to tieing again. don't ask. i don't know why.

 

[E.B. Haymakin']

I have never fooled with a IH baler, but I had a few problems on my NH 273 baler with string not cutting right. I bought the baler with four roles of baling twine in it, and being cheap those are the four rolls I started my baling career with. This past summer I bought more twine, and when changing out noticed the old twine was thinner-it wasn"t 9000. I have had no troubles with bales breaking, twine not cutting, or knots problems at all. The twine the previous owner was using was too thin in my opinion. I just never questioned that the twine may have been the problem. Good luck.

 

[Steve Ga]

Thanks for the help,I looked today it is a int 35,1973.
The knifes apear to be stationary,and the knot gets pused off as said.Does the next charge push the twine againt the knifes to cut it?"
Thanks again

 

[johns48jdb]

turn the baler over by hand and go real slow and watch what happens. don't remember on the 47, but on a 440 there was an arm that had a ball on it that part of the tieing mechasium pushed against to force the knives into the twine. never had any luck shapening them, just always replaced them. i use to bale 1000 bales every two days and didn't replace them but 2 or 3 times a summer so it should be to bad on you. when you store the baler coat everything on the knotters with a good coat of oil and cover with plastic reak good. remove all the hay from the machine. if it gets wet you will play h--- getting it out next spring and the new hay want push it out. when you remove the bolt holding the knotters down look carefully at where any washers are at between the knotters and the baler frame. put them back just like they came out. another thing that will keep the knotters from tieing right is the build up of grass and grease on any of the gears. never over grease any of the grease fittings, but always greease the baler everytime you put a new roll of twine in it. if you don't know whewre they are all at see if you can get a manual. ih use to sale just a manula on trouble shooting knotters and nothing else was in the book. wonder where mine went.