JD 410 Contaminated Hydro Fluid (need some pointers)

JD 410 Contaminated Hydraulic Fluid (1973?)

Machine Info:

  • 1947 hours
  • Frame: JD 410-D | Serial: 194583T
  • Engine: 4219DT 03 | 286327T
  • Paid $1000 for it
I recently acquired a JD 410 backhoe that had been sitting idle in a field for several years. First order of business was just getting it home.

Some background:
  • After charging the batteries, it fired right up without hesitation. It runs extremely well. The diesel tank had been topped off before it was parked, and the fuel still looks surprisingly clean.
  • When I first checked it, the hydraulic oil was super low and it wouldn't budge—I'd guess it was down about 15 gallons. I added 10 gallons just to get it mobile, but once I got it onto the trailer, it immediately lost all hydraulics and drive.
  • I winched it off the trailer at home, started it, and let it run for about 15 minutes.
  • I then agonizingly slowly compressed as many cylinders as possible and drained what I could from the hydraulic system—what came out was a full-on milky mess.
  • I removed both hydraulic filters, which looked nearly new. Which tracks with what the previous owner was saying.
Some history (word of mouth):
The previous owner said he had the hydraulic pump and filters replaced a few years ago and then parked it. Based on what I see, I think the tech may have misread the dipstick and used a brazed mark about 4 inches up on the stick as the “full” mark (which I believe is closer to 1/4 full). The machine may have run well enough post-repair, but with all that air space in the reservoir, condensation probably accumulated nonstop over the years. Then again, it also looks like maybe the reservoir cap was left off and rain got in—it’s that bad.

Questions:
  1. Other sources of water?
    Is there any other common way water might get into the hydraulic system on these machines besides condensation or an open cap? The machine doesn’t appear to be leaking hydraulics anywhere.

  2. Flush without spending $250?
    Any creative approaches to flushing the system without dumping $250 into fresh fluid and filters right away? I’m trying to be thorough without being wasteful. Can I use something else to flush other than primo J20C?

  3. Bypass valves?
    If the hydraulic filters plugged and the bypass valves opened, do those reset automatically? Or do I need to manually reset them? I ask because it only ever barely moved and then just like poof it stopped.
Any advice or experience with this machine is appreciated. Its pretty damn nice from being 50-something years old and I think its worth the resurrection with the relatively low hours and how good the engine runs. Thanks in advance.
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Be sure to check/clean hyd oil suction screen(item 70). I would use the cheapest hyd that meets spec's of J20C for flushes. I hope moisture in hyd system hasn't ruined the clutches that operate in hyd oil.
 

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Be sure to check/clean hyd oil suction screen(item 70). I would use the cheapest hyd that meets spec's of J20C for flushes. I hope moisture in hyd system hasn't ruined the clutches that operate in hyd oil.
I'm going to check that right now. Thanks for the timely tip.
 
Be sure to check/clean hyd oil suction screen(item 70). I would use the cheapest hyd that meets spec's of J20C for flushes. I hope moisture in hyd system hasn't ruined the clutches that operate in hyd oil.
Is that it (yellow arrow)? I didn't actually replace the filters yet (ordered), I just put the covers back on empty to keep the dust out.

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Is that it (yellow arrow)? I didn't actually replace the filters yet (ordered), I just put the covers back on empty to keep the dust out.

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No quite right. It should be behind the fitting in the side of the transmission case. You may need to remove that outside hydraulic filter to pull the screen. It is a good time to get a piece of the proper oil rated hose and replace it. You JD dealer should have it by the part number and sold by the inch.

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