Jd 4200 or 430?

[Kendm1]

looking to buy this old tractor which she says is a 4300 with a 430 loader, it looks like an older tractor when I looked at it and online looks like a 430 U has the limited slip I guess it's called he said it's not true four-wheel-drive but I can't say I'm not a tractor guy and the bucket and three-point lift incredibly slowly and he has water in the hydraulics because he or his son put water in the hydraulics, he's a drinker. Just wondering whether it's 430 or 4300 and is it worth $3500 if I end up having to do the hydraulic pump and get the clutch adjusted ? Clutch has 4 inches of travel before it pushes and obviously it's not working properly because he can't get it into gear properly. I have a video I'll try to upload but I don't know if they do videos on here my pictures aren't that great. Way to tell by the picture if it's a two or three cylinder? I'm a complete newbie on tractors.

 

[Kendm1]

Update, talked to tractor guy other than him and he says if 4300 it has to be 4x4? Also he said he thinks the hydraulic pump is located up front on side?

 

[wore out]

looking to buy this old tractor which she says is a 4300 with a 430 loader, it looks like an older tractor when I looked at it and online looks like a 430 U has the limited slip I guess it's called he said it's not true four-wheel-drive but I can't say I'm not a tractor guy and the bucket and three-point lift incredibly slowly and he has water in the hydraulics because he or his son put water in the hydraulics, he's a drinker. Just wondering whether it's 430 or 4300 and is it worth $3500 if I end up having to do the hydraulic pump and get the clutch adjusted ? Clutch has 4 inches of travel before it pushes and obviously it's not working properly because he can't get it into gear properly. I have a video I'll try to upload but I don't know if they do videos on here my pictures aren't that great. Way to tell by the picture if it's a two or three cylinder? I'm a complete newbie on tractors.

It's NOT a "430" (built 1958-1960), it MAY be a "4200" or "4300", built by Yanmar for DEERE, and sold 1998-2001.

The transmission and "rear end" casting is used as the hydraulic reservoir, if there's water in the hydraulics the transmission and final drives have water in them, as well.

I don't think you can run away fast enough from this thing.

Parts are $$$ and, (sadly) parts availability MAY not be great, either.

 

[Kendm1]

Thanks wore out, so the water added into it by the current owner would ruin it? I had a dealership tell me just change the fluids and filters and might be good but at worst would be hydraulic pump replacement or rebuild. They didn't mention it being other things and also said pump was at front area not back? Just trying to pin down what's what but more than likely even with a nice bucket and 4x4 may have to walk/run away.

 

[wore out]

Thanks wore out, so the water added into it by the current owner would ruin it? I had a dealership tell me just change the fluids and filters and might be good but at worst would be hydraulic pump replacement or rebuild. They didn't mention it being other things and also said pump was at front area not back? Just trying to pin down what's what but more than likely even with a nice bucket and 4x4 may have to walk/run away.

The hydraulic pump is up front at the RH side of the engine, driven by the camshaft gear train, it draws it's oil from the rear housing of the tractor (there's no "hydraulic oil tank") and if water has, in fact, damaged the hydraulic pump the transmission and final drive parts and bearings have had the same water exposure. What transmission does it have, if "Hydro" it would be even more vulnerable to water contamination.

Any clues as to have much water has been added, and how long the tractor has been sitting with water in it?

Have you checked the level of the hydraulic oil? Also, LOOSEN the hydraulic/transmission/rear end drain plug(s), oil floats on water, so any water will have settled to the bottom and you can get some clue as to haw much water is in it by letting it drip out while the plug(s) are loose.

There should be a Serial Number plate on front-right tractor frame, above front wheel that will also show the Model Number.

Once you have the model number you can go to https://techpubs.deere.com/en-us/Search/Equipment and download the OPERATOR'S MANUAL for FREE, which will tell you have to check the oil level and where the drain plug(s) are.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

Thanks wore out, so the water added into it by the current owner would ruin it? I had a dealership tell me just change the fluids and filters and might be good but at worst would be hydraulic pump replacement or rebuild. They didn't mention it being other things and also said pump was at front area not back? Just trying to pin down what's what but more than likely even with a nice bucket and 4x4 may have to walk/run away.

Think about it for a second: If putting water in the hydraulics is what they're willing admit to, what are they NOT willing to admit to? When buying a used tractor you rarely get the whole story.

As a tractor rookie this is not something you want to cut your teeth on. Parts availability for tractors made in the 1990's and early 2000's can be problematic because there weren't that many made.

 

[Kendm1]

Thanks to you both on your replies, it is not a hydro, not sure what the guy was thinking but obviously a heavy drinker and lots of water is all I can say for sure, site glass is milky tan color and when he lifted the bucket came running down the lift cylinders and under the seat when lifting the three point, it's been in it for a week or so he said is when he accidentally did it. Purrs like a kitten otherwise but clutch has me worried also. Probably walking/tripping/running. It's crazy hard to find anything around this area these days and just missed out on a long with a bush hog loader and bucket for only $3k the husband died.

 

[wore out]

Thanks to you both on your replies, it is not a hydro, not sure what the guy was thinking but obviously a heavy drinker and lots of water is all I can say for sure, site glass is milky tan color and when he lifted the bucket came running down the lift cylinders and under the seat when lifting the three point, it's been in it for a week or so he said is when he accidentally did it. Purrs like a kitten otherwise but clutch has me worried also. Probably walking/tripping/running. It's crazy hard to find anything around this area these days and just missed out on a long with a bush hog loader and bucket for only $3k the husband died.

If the lift is working (albeit with the water in it) WHY is it suspected something is wrong with the hydraulic pump?

The clutch is the least of your worries, it's a simple "automotive-type" dry clutch.

 

[casecollectorsc]

Buy the thing for 3 grand and take it to a shop to have oil and filters replaced for the other 500.

 

[caterpillar guy]

Well as said you need at the least the oil drained and filter changed. And probably filter changed a second or maybe a third time to get the water out that is in the system when you drain it and have the dregs still in the system like loader cylinders and rest of system like that. IT is a chance either way. Probably a better option than the Long would be. I would probably offer less money in cash about what the oil change and filters would be plus a bit lower. Parts can be an issue with any tractor as they age. I guess you know more what you want to tolerate for trouble. I would also figure if I was to need valve or pump work on it in the near future just in case. If he is telling about the water what did they not tell you about too.

 

[Kendm1]

Well the search continues, the guy needs money for taxes and won't lower the price. Have an international for 5k with bucket, tiller, and trailer but everything I've read on them is junk, says it has an injector issue also, so will keep looking, thanks to all! It's unusual these days to find folks who help for nothing and I'm old school from the country raised in the city so it's refreshing to say the least.

 

[wore out]

Well the search continues, the guy needs money for taxes and won't lower the price. Have an international for 5k with bucket, tiller, and trailer but everything I've read on them is junk, says it has an injector issue also, so will keep looking, thanks to all! It's unusual these days to find folks who help for nothing and I'm old school from the country raised in the city so it's refreshing to say the least.

I think you did the right thing, for someone with tractor experience and LOTS of luck it might have turned out OK, but even then could have turned out very badly.

The price was plenty high to start with, then add needing clutch work AND taking the risk that the water hadn't caused major damage. For that matter, even if draining and flushing and adding fresh oil brought it back to life damage could rear it's ugly head down the road a ways, just when you thought all was well.

 

[m16ty]

Now it's not uncommon for a tractor that sits out to get water into the hydraulics from rain, but to purposely pour water into the hydraulic system is beyond me. I know you said he was a drinker, but still.

Do you think he was drunk on it doing something, ran low on hydraulic oil, didn't have any on hand, and just figured water would work just as good? The fact that he even admitted it is something else, was he drunk when he told you that?

That tractor could have all kinds of problems, if he poured water into the hydraulics there's no telling what else he's done.

 

[wore out]

Now it's not uncommon for a tractor that sits out to get water into the hydraulics from rain, but to purposely pour water into the hydraulic system is beyond me. I know you said he was a drinker, but still.

Do you think he was drunk on it doing something, ran low on hydraulic oil, didn't have any on hand, and just figured water would work just as good? The fact that he even admitted it is something else, was he drunk when he told you that?

That tractor could have all kinds of problems, if he poured water into the hydraulics there's no telling what else he's done.

Note there's NO separate hydraulic reservoir, and the only oil fill port is on the transmission, so the water contamination went WAY beyond the hydraulic system.

 

[buickanddeere]

it is worth scrap price .

 

[buickanddeere]

TractorData.com John Deere 4300 tractor information

www.tractordata.com

430 Loader (For 990, 4300-4400 and 4310-4410 Tractors)
61" (1550 mm) Materials Bucket
Quik-Tatch Parking
Quik-Change Attachment
Mounting Frame
Hood Guard
Specifications Meet ASAES301.3
Specifications for 4300-4400
and 4310-4410 Tractors:
Lift Capacity - 1258 Lbs.
(572 kg)
Breakout @ Pivot - 3299 Lbs.
(14676N)
Lift Height - 101.4" (2575 mm)

Rollback Angle - 30 Degrees
Dump Angle - 45 Degrees

 

[buickanddeere]

is the hood or drill missing ?

 

[Kendm1]

is the hood or drill missing ?

Both

 

[Phill Tibbetts]

Run Forest run!!

 

[Kendm1]

Life is like a box of chocolates!