JD 545 ROund baler problem.

[Mingy]

Hello everybody and thanks in advance.

I spent Saturday and Sunday rebuilidng the yellow thing at the bottom of my JD545. Thats the thing that picks up the hay. If anybody ever needs to know anything about fixing that thing, let me know - I completely disaasembled it, fixed everything (including straightening 4 badly bent angle irons) and put it all back together.

And it works! I think ....

At 10 pm last night I tryed to make a bale. Everything worked perfect, however when it was full I 'dumped' early and ended up with the most perfectly formed 5' round bale you've ever seen.

Problem was, no string! Some mice had nested in the string rolls, and it was a hopeless tangle.

Now, I think I 'dumped early' because I forgot what to do once the bale is all rolled up. How do I know when the tying is done?

I'd still have an untied bale, but now the string arm is now parked as though it was doling out string and I can't figure out how to get it to return. So, instead of being parked at the front, parallel to the roll, its pointing to the back.

I tried all kinds of things, except trying to do a small bale and manually 'ejecting it'.

I have absolutely no documentation on this machine, which I bought *very* used.

Any suggestions as ot what to do with the most beautiful, untied bale you've ever seen?

As luck would have it, its supposed to rain tonight, but thats life.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Vernon in Ks]

Have you tried triping the tie to cycle again? You realy need a book on that baler. There is a sequence you have to go through to set the timing.
I don"t have a john deere so don"t have a book but have run a neighbors plenty.

 

[gregger]

if i remmber right on the old 535 we had when the arm didnt come back i had to pull it back by hand and it would then tie when tripped

 

[Mingy]

Thanks for the suggestions. The book will take some time to get, and the hay's in the field, but this is my fault for not fixing this last winter.

I'm going to order the book online right now.

Thanks again

 

[Roger in Iowa]

Raise the gate all the way and engage the pto. If the arm is moving let it go home. If not, pull the rope to trip the mechanism and let it cycle completely. Might pull the twine back in the arm first so it doesn't get to feeding and wrap on everything.

 

[Mingy]

Thanks thats exactly what I was looking for - for some reason I didnt see this until now.

It the gate the 'dump' section I control with the tractor hydraulics?

Do you know what the 'I'm winding string' signal is?

Would you happen to know were the S/N is - Deere has 3 different manual sets depending on S/N. It seems it was made in the 1980s and is European (?) I'll probably find it when I get home, but I figured I'd ask in case I can't.

Thanks again. This is very helpful

 

[camju]

I have had to hold a hammer handel up against the belt on the right side of the baller to make it turn the hyd pump and finish the tie cycle.

When I had a bad bail I rolled it out with the front wheel of the tractor and just rebale it.You will be surprised how big a swath will rebale quit nicely.

 

[Roger in Iowa]

The rear gate is controlled by the tractor hydraulics.

The twine winding signal is a solid yellow. Flashing yellow is about to wind twine and time to even up the bale shape.

Red is oversize bale = STOP!

Green is gate latched and ready to go. It should be on all the time you are baling, except to dump bale out.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 14:04:06 06/21/10) Would you happen to know were the S/N is - Deere has 3 different manual sets depending on S/N. It seems it was made in the 1980s and is European (?) I'll probably find it when I get home, but I figured I'd ask in case I can't.

SN should be on frame that tongue bolts to on LH side(drivers side)

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 13:58:14 06/21/10) Raise the gate all the way and engage the pto. If the arm is moving let it go home. If not, pull the rope to trip the mechanism and let it cycle completely. Might pull the twine back in the arm first so it doesn't get to feeding and wrap on everything.

Roger,
I have to add to what you stated.

I think operators manual states to lock tailgate,raise tension arm up to where 3+ is showing in window on RH side,engage pto and pull rope to cycle twine arms. But it's been years since I worked on or ran a hyd tie JD rd baler.

I didn't think I'd like the electric tie on my 467 but it's way ahead of hyd tie on 435. Operater can set number of wraps and spacing by pushing buttons on monitor in cab.

 

[Mingy]

Thanks everyone - based on the suggestions I was able to reset the twine arm.

Unfortunately, the unit doesn't wind properley, but it starts a wind, and thats a start.

I'm waiting for Deere to get back to me on literature, but its complicated because this is a European model, however there are a number around in Canada.

Until then, I managed to find the Deere patent on the Twine Wrapping Mechanism 4,647,243 which you can see at www.google.com/patents/about?id=iCQtAAAAEBAJ&dq=4457226.

But studying the patent, I figure I should be able to fix the problem with the winder.

I hope the patent reference is helpful to someone.

Thanks again.

 

[Roger in Iowa]

Jim, you are right, but he did not have a clue as to what tension arm is or the lockout, etc. Just quick and dirty for one time deal.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 10:39:25 06/22/10) Thanks everyone - based on the suggestions I was able to reset the twine arm.

Unfortunately, the unit doesn't wind properley, but it starts a wind, and thats a start.Thanks again.

Mingy,
Are you having problems with the twine wrapping process? If so explain what's not happening and someone on this forum will try to assist you.

The tying/wrapping procedure is complicated to those that are unfamiliar with it.

There are several springs that need to be in place for system to work. Also have you checked fluid level in pump and condition of v-belt as a worn v-belt can give wrapping problems.

 

[Mingy]

TX Jim


Yes I was having problems with the winder. It was getting stuck and not returning home. After studying the patent and looking at the mechanism, I figured out that:

1) A spring had been replaced, but the replacement is too weak. This was the spring that returns the arm sensor shaft. Due to corrosion and a weak spring, the shaft would not return.

2) The valve 'plunger' was stuck due to surface rust.

I repeatedly lubricated and moved the mechanism, which rinced out enough of the rust to allow free movement. I will find a nice, stiff spring.

I *believe* the system now works properly (I don't know how to cycle the winder without running a baler), because unfortunately, we had severe thunderstorms which drenched my hay so I couldn't run a bale, and, indeed, its been so long I'll be luck if I can sell the hay at all.

Deere tells me I have to order the manual from the dealer, and the dealer hasn't gotten back to me.

Thanks again everybody - I'll post an update.

 

[Tx Jim]

(quoted from post at 09:10:19 06/23/10) TX Jim

The valve 'plunger' was stuck due to surface rust.

(I don't know how to cycle the winder without running a baler)

Deere tells me I have to order the manual from the dealer, and the dealer hasn't gotten back to me. :

A rusty,sticking valve spool is common on JD rd balers with hyd tie because it's sorta hidden and points up to accumilate dirt & hay chaff.

If it were me I get a JD replacement spring because most are fairly priced and it would be the correct tension.

Lastly I'll post again how to cycle twine arm with no hay in baler

""""""[operators manual states to lock tailgate,raise tension arm up to where 3+ is showing in window on RH side,engage pto and pull rope to cycle twine arms]"""""""

 

[Tx Jim]

Here are the 3 operators manual numbers that can be ordered online or from this phone number 1-800-522-7448

545 ROUND BALER (-278165) European OMCC27550
545 ROUND BALER (278166-306326) European OMCC30333
545 ROUND BALER (306327-) European OMCC33477

 

[Mingy]

Jim - thanks and thanks. The reset worked fine, but I had the problem with each bale though I hope I fixed it now.

With respect to the manuals, thats a little joke by Deere. When you actually try order the manuals online they tell you you can"t. I phoned the 800 number and they got back a day later saying "dealer only". So I called the dealer and a day later he got back and said two or three weeks.

well the hay is pretty much scrap, but if the baler works I might be able to get something for it.

Thanks again