John Deere 1010 Wiring/Ignition Switch

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John Deere 1010 RU Early 60's. Serial number is not legible.

Okay.
So, Have gone through 2 regulators in the past...7 months.
The one that was on the tractor when bought 2 years ago and one that was purchased about 6 weeks ago.
Original owner keeled over on his lawn mower, (Postal delivery people must have some stories...) and we bought this from his brother.

The Tractor had been changed to Negative ground and after the second regulator I started suspecting that maybe the wiring was incorrect.
The regulator actually was just bad, I think? Oreilly's-China Special.
It was very intermittent. It would work for a couple hours and then the GEN Light would come on. The higher the RPM's...the brighter it illuminated.
I first thought it wasn't getting a good ground, so, dedicated ground wire back to the battery...and this seemed to work for about an hour.
Headed back to the barn and the regulator was HOT. I returned a few hours later to check things out. Turned the key and nothing.
The 92% of the wiring had melted including the solenoid on the starter.
The only thing I could actually find wrong with the wiring connections was the coil was wired backwards. Still connected for positive ground.
The regulator was manufactured for Positive or Negative ground...I don't know if the original was...the regulator on the tractor when we purchased it
I didn't realize the starter was toast until after the current regulator was installed.

So, hopefully that brings things up to now.
With great care and attention I rewired the tractor to the best of my knowledge and the Internets...and the John Deere Service manual...and the internet...
The schematic shown here is the current wiring.
No fuel gauge and use a oil pressure gauge. No stock light switch...no stock lights...LED's and they work great.

I installed the new starter this afternoon and turned it over with the response that it wanted to run...let go of the key and...it stops.
Again and again and sprayed some contact cleaner in the ignition switch...again and still, wants to go and...stops.
Reset my brain, got the fine toothed pick out and...it's all correct. But is it?

Obviously not.
I have here on my desk the ignition switch.
Using a quality multi-meter, (Fluke 87 V) I constructed a truth table.
And this does not make sense. If you look at the schematic and the truth table it makes sense why the tractor won't run after the turning over step.
My solution is to move #9 (pink) wire to the "F" terminal on the switch, despite what the schematic says.
Oh, and there appears to be a diode connected to the "S" termial, (anode side) to the switch's case. (cathode side)
Diode check is fluctuating every where even with the Auto HOLD depressed.

And that's where I am at! Any one care to suggest...?
 

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I forgot to include that I polarize the generator from Battery Positive to "A".
The generator runs strong as a motor and...I think there's something else I am forgetting...

..It doesn't have blinkers, so it wouldn't be the blinker fluid...
 
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The table says the I terminal is not powered except for when it is in the start position. To me that says the switch is bad. It should have power with the key switch on. Per your table it looks like your work around should be the cure.
 
You might have a defective switch, the I terminal of the switch should power the coil.

Is it a diode on the back of the switch or a resistor as they commonly have?

You didn't say which JD service manual you have or what your serial number is. Here are the two wiring diagrams (based on serial numbers) (pdf files) for the 2010 from the JD 2010 service manual SM2035. See how the correct serial number drawing compares to what you have.
 

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It is a diode. Its connection to the switch case is...iffy at best. I imagine when driving it around on our non-smooth/paved pastures it makes contact...then doesn't make contact.

I'm not sure what the "F' terminal is for.

Anyways, I went out last night and did the connection change. And it started right up.
vrOOM!
Yes...but no. The GEN light is lit...still/again.
Seemed like the RPM's should had been high enough but it was still not warmed up so...
Going to check that now and monitor the voltages and differences. And maybe the current at places. That always gets me a bit paranoid for my multi-meter. Measuring current that I don't know how high.
 
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What I have not been able to locate is a wiring schematic, for such a tractor from that era, using negative ground. I may just switch it back to stock when all I have to do is a few connection changes.
...I hate when I think, "All I have to do is... Never seems to be an accurate conclusion any more.

Are there Gremlins in Missouri? You know, the anti-farming type.
 
It is a diode. Its connection to the switch case is...iffy at best. I imagine when driving it around on our non-smooth/paved pastures it makes contact...then doesn't make contact.

I'm not sure what the "F' terminal is for.

Anyways, I went out last night and did the connection change. And it started right up.
vrOOM!
Yes...but no. The GEN light is lit...still/again.
Seemed like the RPM's should had been high enough but it was still not warmed up so...
Going to check that now and monitor the voltages and differences. And maybe the current at places. That always gets me a bit paranoid for my multi-meter. Measuring current that I don't know how high.
Interesting. I located the copy of SM2033 the 1010 manual I use, and it says there is a resistor on the back of the ignition switch. If you have a diode it sounds like someone has hacked it. A resistor will work with either ground.

The 1010 were positive ground OEM so it is no wonder you are not finding a negative ground diagram for one. To change from positive to negative ground, with a generator, it should be swap locations of the battery cables, reverse the ammeter wires (if so equipped), reverse primary wires on the coil, change the voltage regulator (if it is one that is ground specific). and polarize the generator to the new ground system.
 
How I dislike spanning projects over an extended period of time.
So, the Generator "ran" strong as a motor "before" the wiring, starter, regulator...have I missed something?...burned up.
Take it off "again' and see how bad, what I was "not" apparently wanting to consider. It only makes sense though. The wires to it were...melted.

I think I will implement a fusible link. Any suggestions at which point and which gauge of wire.
The fuse obviously did nothing.
 
How I dislike spanning projects over an extended period of time.
So, the Generator "ran" strong as a motor "before" the wiring, starter, regulator...have I missed something?...burned up.
Take it off "again' and see how bad, what I was "not" apparently wanting to consider. It only makes sense though. The wires to it were...melted.

I think I will implement a fusible link. Any suggestions at which point and which gauge of wire.
The fuse obviously did nothing.
If all the wiring burnt up right to the generator and regulator they need to be checked by a shop. The shop should be able to set them up as negative ground if you want and test them together.

A fusible link, fuse, or circuit breaker may not protect everything, it all depends on what and where a short is. A 30-amp circuit breaker (as JD used on later tractors) in the wire from the starter solenoid to feed the ignition switch, regulator, lights, etc., should take care of it. Or you need to install one, on every circuit, of the correct amperage rating for that circuit.
 
Yes. It had crossed my mind about multiple points of circuit protection.


Anyways, I pulled the generator yesterday and first thing I did was a nose inspection and was surprised I didn't smell any thing...toasty.
I had seen the inside before and It seems like not much had changed.
I could not get a reading across the field windings still so why bother going any further?
Because I wanted to use that 1/2" drive flat head socket. Removed the two screws slipped out the windings and now I get a reading of 8.2 ohms.

There are some rebuild kits for $200 dollars but, I think I'll try cleaning this up first and see what happens... with a fusible link in line...

Question now is, what do I use for between the windings and pole shoes. Seams like paper was used back in the "old'n days".
 
Yes. It had crossed my mind about multiple points of circuit protection.


Anyways, I pulled the generator yesterday and first thing I did was a nose inspection and was surprised I didn't smell any thing...toasty.
I had seen the inside before and It seems like not much had changed.
I could not get a reading across the field windings still so why bother going any further?
Because I wanted to use that 1/2" drive flat head socket. Removed the two screws slipped out the windings and now I get a reading of 8.2 ohms.

There are some rebuild kits for $200 dollars but, I think I'll try cleaning this up first and see what happens... with a fusible link in line...

Question now is, what do I use for between the windings and pole shoes. Seams like paper was used back in the "old'n days".
Cambric tape
 
Finally...
Time to install the rebuild kit I got for the generator. It has every thing. Even got a new armature.
I'm just curious of the pole shoes. I did not mark them the last time I had taken this apart. But according to Remy-Delco, this should not matter.
The manual states:
After a generator has been repaired and installed on a vehicle, or at any time after a generator has been tested, it must be polarized.
This is to make sure that it has correct polarity to develop voltage that will cause current to flow in the proper direction to the battery it is to charge.


I suppose the next hurdle is properly seating the brushes.
I never gave this much thought in the past when replacing brushes. Figured they naturally seated them selves. Apparently they may, but after the not recommended usage and wear.

Now, I do have a spring tension meter/tool...if I could just find that "Delco-Remy Test Specification" booklet.
 

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Well,
Should anyone be curious how this turned out...
I finished the the generator rebuild and it is performing great.
I was perturbed that I had purchased a kit with a new armature, ($70 additional)
but when trying to disassemble the old one...change the bearing...I quickly realized I made the correct call.
Even the rear sleeve bearing did not want to come out...using the hydraulic method.
I ended up knocking/breaking off the end of the cover, (accidentally) and pressed it out using the old armature while heating up the end around the bearing.
The new bearing was .004" larger on the OD and freezing it would only shrink it by .001".
So I turned it on a mini-lathe using 180 wet sand...removed .0015".
Froze the bearing and a set of pliers, (did not want to touch it with something warm when inserting it)
Heated up the end cover and it slid in with 5 "firm" taps...
Oh... I had epoxied the end on with JB-Weld and just sat the the piece in place... no pressing it on...and painted it green.
It's that fresh coat of paint that will ensure it a long, visually respectable looking life.

But now I have to find a new gear box for the brush hog. The old gears look really worn down and lots of metal in the oil.
 

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