Loader?

[DenisW]

Anyone recognize this loader? Are the rods over the arms stock or did someone reinforce the arms. It's on 851 that was a diesel, now has gas engine.

 

[old]

Very poor picture but I can say I have seen more then one loader that was set up like that. Shoot I even have one on my 8N that has round bars like those

 

[DenisW]

Any idea who manufactured loader? Age of loader?

 

[Bern]

Never seen one like that, and I have been around a lot of loaders. It's also the ugliest loader I have ever seen.

 

[old]

Sorry no again goes to the fact you can only see the negative view of it not a true picture of it. The one I have is a Dearborn which is a ford brand name

 

[Dean]

Agreed.

Never seen that design.

Dean

 

[RodinNS]

Never seen one like that... I can only imagine that the rods have been added at some point in time. As they are, bent in the manner they appear... they're not going to do any good anyhow. They would need to be straight and held in tension to really give much advantage on that loader arm.

Rod

 

[Fordfarmer]

Can't help with the brand, but I've seen a number of those loaders... mostly on N's. All had the rods above the arms, and most of the rods were bent, just like this one.

 

[DenisW]

I don't understand 'negative picture'. This is picture of left side of the unit. What other pictures would be helpful?

 

[Tony Jacobs]

Hello Denis , It is a Wagner or a Superior Loader and all bracing and gussets are Factory done . The ID tag was up near the lift arm pivot points on the left side but could be gone now but you should see the rivets or the holes that held it on at one time . Thanks Tony

 

[TMFORDY]

Not sure if yours is a Wagner.

 

[old]

Negative as it shows up like the old negatives from a film type camera so it is hard to see well

 

[Dean]

Agreed.

I've seen sevaral loaders similar to yours but none like that pictured in the original post.

Dean

 

[Sean in PA]

(quoted from post at 11:50:10 09/06/12) Negative as it shows up like the old negatives from a film type camera so it is hard to see well

I see a pretty clear picture of a yellow loader on a rusted tractor with a blue tarp over the hood, and what looks like a blue plastic milk crate under the oil pan. Nothing "negative" about the image that I can see. Maybe something wrong with your browser or computer?

 

[wedge40]

(quoted from post at 19:43:32 09/05/12) Anyone recognize this loader? Are the rods over the arms stock or did someone reinforce the arms. It's on 851 that was a diesel, now has gas engine.

I'm not sure, but is the arrow area what you're talking about?

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[DenisW]

Wanted to know more about the loader. I've never seen one like it. It pretty heavy but it works well on the 851.

 

[Tony Jacobs]

Hello Again Denis , I forgot to mention in my last post your tractor is not an 851 , it appears to be a Light Duty Industrial 4030 or 4130 judging by the Heavy Non - Adjustable front axle you have . I still say your loader is a Wagner or a Superior brand as it is almost exactly the same as the Wagner in the other pictures posted . The bracing / gusseting is the same basic design maybe just an earlier design that's all . Thanks Tony
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[DenisW]

Hello Tony, I am not able to open the link you included.
FO-20 shows that front axle as "Utility Industrial Type" for Models you cited. The Model and Serial No on the tractor are: 851D, 119710. I know that the gas engine it has is not part of that model no, the axle could have been part of a bolt on with the engine. I need to look for more numbers and find out what this is. Thanks, Denis

 

[DenisW]

Tony, the id plate is there, been painted over and no information available. Denis

 

[Sean in PA]

Denis, if most components seem to be from the 40xx industrial series, and only the number stamped into the transmission says that it's a 851D, I would suspect that the tractor started out as a 40xx industrial and had the transmission replaced at some point with a transmission from a 851D. Most folks don't replace the engine, and the front axle, and the steering linkages, and whatever else from one tractor to another, but a transmission is something that is likely to have been changed. See if you can find the date codes stamped into the rear axles and see if they agree with the date code on the engine or if they agree with the serial number stamped into the transmission casing.

 

[Tony Jacobs]

Hello Denis , That's not my link , I don't know how it got there . Your tractor probably had a Select-o-speed trans in it and it was swapped out for the five speed in it now , that's all . I figured I would let you know since it was not noted but you also did not ask about it . If your loader tag is there why don't you try and clean it off to read it . Post a GOOD CLEAR CLOSE UP of it . Thanks Tony

 

[DenisW]

Tony, that makes sense, trans swapped out. Numbers I have now are:
Model: 851D, Serial: 119710
Engine: 310609
Left Axle: F263 B (B is right side up, F263 is upside down)
Right Axle: L223
Found other Nos., think they are part Nos.
The hood has 800 plastic emblem.
Can you interpret the numbers?
Denis

 

[DenisW]

Hey Guys, Beauty (ugly) is in the eye of beholder, that's a good strong loader, that works.
Denis

 

[Tony Jacobs]

Hello Denis , Trans. numbers are for a 1960 tractor , engine is 1958 or 1959 too early to match trans. even if it was diesel . Rear axle hsgs. June 26 1963 and Nov.22 1963 would match the front axle . The Light Duty Industrials with that solid front axle did not come out until Oct./Nov. 1960 around serial number 130,000 +/- . Thanks Tony Jacobs

 

[Billy NY]

I'm almost positive that is a wagner, they also made these for other manufacturers like IH/farmall, I have seen that style before, but it seems there are variants within the years that Wagner made these, and the lift arms like yours was a trademark stiffening method used by Wagner. Superior had some that looked similar, but judging by the interior frame and the gusset piece reinforcing the sharp bend, it looks identical to most wagner loaders, and the cylinders appear to be correct too.

I will say this, for the age and type of loader, the wagner on my 850 is impressive, slow but very strong with what it can lift, 2 way cylinders power down and up, its a '55 so probably the latest version before they stopped making them, seems they nailed a market on these, always wondered given they were at the beginning threshold of modern front end loaders why they ceased building them, the company has moved on to architectural items now.
Wagner Literature

Wagner History

 

[Billy NY]

Forgot to add, that the 2 holes where the lift arm cylinders are pinned, is another signature of Wagner, for whatever reason they made those plates with 2 holes, 2 positions, where the cylinder is pinned to each lift arm, those pieces are unique to wagner and some of these parts seem to be common to other models throughout the time they made these. Chance I could be wrong, but it sure looks like a Wagner from here.

 

[Ed H.-OH]

Dennis Hello, I beleave it"s a wagner design. They were not very pretty, but very strong and light weight. Mine has about a 12 foot reach and will lift anything the tractor will handle.I think mine is close to 60 years old and burnt in a barn fire before i got it and is still going strong. -ed

 

[DenisW]

Tony, Thank You for the info. I knew this tractor was a hybrid?, didn't know it was made up of at least 3 different units.
On the loader, the plate is still there, looks to have been mostly inked, with only a small amount of stamping into the plate at the very bottom: WF 3 FF 5656.
DenisW

 

[DenisW]

Billy NY, Thank You for the info. I followed your link to Wagner Owners Manual. "Figure 4, Mainframe, Dipperstick and Attachment Cylinder Connections for Models 100 and 130 Loaders." shows my loader, a single cylinder to the bucket and behind the cylinder are the flat steel plates supporting and protecting the pump. The id plate is still there, on the right side of the frame just behind the pivot rod. It looks like it was mostly inked, then painted over with stamping into the plate at the very bottom: WF 3 FF 5656.
DenisW