Massey Ferguson 50

[PineRiverPat]

I'm wondering if I am missing a part, can't see where the tac cable attaches to the engine. Also would like to know where and how to attach hydraulic lins for a loader. Pictures and explanations very much appreciated.
Thank you very much.

 

[centash]

Tech cable attatches to the rear of the generator on some models.
Ben

 

[wjytexas]

and if the generator has been replaced or rebuilt the armature shaft may not be drilled and tapped .

 

[Jim.ME]

I believe the most common option for loader hydraulics on those was a front mounted, crankshaft driven pump, often supplied as part of the loader. You can see photos of 50's with loaders on the web and almost all show the front pump. Often the loaders frames were the reservoirs for the loader hydraulics. The loaders were pretty much a separate self contained attachment. I don't remember any of those models around here using tractor hydraulics for the loaders, but I won't say none ever used tractor hydraulics.

You didn't say if you have a gas or diesel. Along with the generator mounted tach drive used on the gas engines (shows in the AGCO Parts Book). The diesels used a tach drive in the rear end of the cam, shown in the parts book.

 

[PineRiverPat]

(quoted from post at 07:46:58 02/08/19) I believe the most common option for loader hydraulics on those was a front mounted, crankshaft driven pump, often supplied as part of the loader. You can see photos of 50's with loaders on the web and almost all show the front pump. Often the loaders frames were the reservoirs for the loader hydraulics. The loaders were pretty much a separate self contained attachment. I don't remember any of those models around here using tractor hydraulics for the loaders, but I won't say none ever used tractor hydraulics.

You didn't say if you have a gas or diesel. Along with the generator mounted tach drive used on the gas engines (shows in the AGCO Parts Book). The diesels used a tach drive in the rear end of the cam, shown in the parts book.

Thank you for the reply. You may be correct about the tac cable. Someone could have replaced the generator and there is no port to screw the cable into.
I believe you are mistaken about the hydraulics though. I see a YouTube video of the same tractor I have and they have a loader on it and the hydraulic line comes off the top of th transmission on the right hand side near the top. They have a little in line hand valve there to shut it off for some reason. Appears to be the exact same tractor I have. You can see the video if you google Massey Ferguson50 with a loader. There are a couple of videos that come up.
The hydraulics are in the transmission, the same gear lube is used for them. Runs the 3 point.
I'm hoping to connect with some one that actually owns one I could pictures of and talk to about how it works.
I appreciate your time and help.
Thank you.

 

[Jim.ME]

I said "I don't remember any of those models around here using tractor hydraulics for the loaders, [u:adeb7e46e0]but I won't say none ever used tractor hydraulics.[/u:adeb7e46e0]" As shown in the videos you mentioned some did. The video I looked at had single acting lift cylinders with a trip bucket. The ones around here were double acting hydraulics on both lift and buckets, likely the reason for the dedicated pump, more volume equal more speed.

There was an add on valve I know for the later 100 series tractors that mounted on the cover right in front of the seat. The couple tractors (135, 165) I remember having them, used them to add remotes and had vertical levers on the valve block to operate them. If I remember right it included a diverter and the 3 point didn't work when the remotes did. It was a real hydraulic valve set up, not a brass water valve that could blow apart from hydraulic pressure.

It appears there is such for your 50 as well. If you search for Massey Ferguson 50 hydraulic remotes and look at the images, you will see some proper valve set ups. The attached image is one on line from this site's store. You can check with them about a kit to fit yours. The store may have the generators with the tach drive as well.

 

[Steven-Id]

I will take some pictures of my 50 tomorrow as to how the tach cable hooks up. You can run a loader off of the main pump in the transmission but as I understand it it would be very slow. I have a 65 with the remote valves on top of the transmission. I will also take pictures of it.

With the valves on the 3 point doesn't work with the quadrant lever beside the seat unless you tie the one valve back. That being said if you have a leaky ram on your 3 point it will continue to drop as the oil leaks out.

Steven

 

[PineRiverPat]

(reply to post at 05:22:58 02/08/19)

Thank you again. And thank you for the picture. They tell a thousand stories. Mine does not have that valve set up. It looks like the way to go, but I doubt I will ever get around to putting one on, unless I find one for very cheap.. I like it though.
I believe mine will operate as you say, slow, because I believe it also runs off the same pump that runs the 3 point, and also as you say, the 3 point has a leak down so the loader will too.
I figure to just plow some snow with it once in a while.
I'd really prefer to sell the tractor, but I don't think it will bring much with the loader sitting on the side line, so I'd like to put it on and at least make it function, even if it is slow.

Thanks again, very much. I'll look forward to any additional posts you make, and any photos you post.
Thanks again.

 

[Fentenetty]

I have a Mr 50 with a gas continental and the tach
cable screws into the back of the generator. I can
send you a pic tomorrow if you need it. That?s a
great tractor and for a 2x I?m not afraid to take it
anywhere wether pulling a bush hog or 16 ft poplar
logs.

 

[PineRiverPat]

(quoted from post at 21:46:48 02/08/19) I have a Mr 50 with a gas continental and the tach
cable screws into the back of the generator. I can
send you a pic tomorrow if you need it. That?s a
great tractor and for a 2x I?m not afraid to take it
anywhere wether pulling a bush hog or 16 ft poplar
logs.

Thanks you, but no need. I understand. Someone obviously replaced this generator and there is no port for the cable. Thanks.
I'd really like to see options for hooking up this loader. I got this loader with the tractor but it was never actually installed on the tractor, and I know little about the Massey.
It does run great, continental engine. Seems to have plenty of power.
I was told this is a Massey Ferguson Harris. It says Massey Ferguson 50 on the hood, but there is something on here somewhere that says Massey Harris, or has the numbers MH-50. I'll have to look again. It caught my attention the first time I saw it and wondered if it was a Massey Ferguson or Massey Harris.
Thanks now, I appreciate it very much.

 

[Tom Massachusetts]

I also have a MH50. It has a tag on the dash next to the steering wheel with ID# and label say its a Massey Harris Ferguson. Great little tractor.

 

[John Deere D]

My parents had a Loader installed on their New MF FE 35 X diesel at the local MF dealer 1963.

Our neighbor also had a loader installed on his MF 50 Gas at the local MF dealer 1959>1961?

As $$$$ were not there, these loaders were installed with the OIL source supplied from the internal 3 point lift Hydraulic pump. The system functioned,however,
there are better systems available today.

There was only LIFT PSI.NO down PSI and bucket was a TRIP mechanism.

The picture with the lift arms chained down as I was checking the PSI out put...2200 + PSI..new pump.

Bob..

 

[Jim.ME]

When installing hydraulic components one should be sure valves, fittings, and hoses used are rated higher than the system's relief pressure (2200+ psi in this case). It might not be a pretty picture for the operator, or anyone around, if a hardware store ball valve (shown in at least one video PineRiverPat suggested I view) blows apart under full pressure.

 

[PineRiverPat]

(quoted from post at 10:33:36 02/09/19) My parents had a Loader installed on their New MF FE 35 X diesel at the local MF dealer 1963.

Our neighbor also had a loader installed on his MF 50 Gas at the local MF dealer 1959>1961?

As $$$$ were not there, these loaders were installed with the OIL source supplied from the internal 3 point lift Hydraulic pump. The system functioned,however,
there are better systems available today.

There was only LIFT PSI.NO down PSI and bucket was a TRIP mechanism.

The picture with the lift arms chained down as I was checking the PSI out put...2200 + PSI..new pump.

Bob..
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Hello: Thank you the post and the photos. The setup your show and speak about sounds very much like what I would like to do here with this one.
Did you chain down the 3-point arms to help the loader with lifting pressure? Or just to keep them from moving when running the loader? Just wondering. And was the loader on your tractor slow? Too slow?
Would you then just move the 3-point lever to raise the loader (like raising the 3-point) ?
Does the Hydraulic fluid (gear lube) just drain back down the same hose then to the transmission when you would lower the loader?
I see people put a shutoff valve in the line, would that be to hold the loader up and still run the 3-point? Does that make sense?
Thanks again now, very much.

 

[John Deere D]

QUOTE:
Hello: Thank you the post and the photos. The setup your show and speak about sounds very much like what I would like to do here with this one. Did you chain
down the 3-point arms to help the loader with lifting pressure? Or just to keep them from moving when running the loader? Just wondering. And was the loader on
your tractor slow? Too slow?
Would you then just move the 3-point lever to raise the loader (like raising the 3-point) ?
Does the Hydraulic fluid (gear lube) just drain back down the same hose then to the transmission when you would lower the loader?
I see people put a shutoff valve in the line, would that be to hold the loader up and still run the 3-point? Does that make sense?
Thanks again now, very much
.
Quote:
Or just to keep them from moving when running the loader?
Answer:
The THREE point LIFT ARMS were CHAINED DOWN....so as to force the oil..PSI into the LOADER RAMS when the factory three point control lever was moved up wards:
QUOTE:
Does the Hydraulic fluid (gear lube) just drain back down the same hose then to the transmission when you would lower the loader?
Answer:
Yes.
QUOTE:
I see people put a shutoff valve in the line, would that be to hold the loader up and still run the 3-point? Does that make sense?
Answer:
I never ran the Tractor with the LOADER and expected the TRACTOR to do any other work ( operate three point attachments)as the MF FE 35 X has a FRONT AXLE that
is TWO light in design for my beliefs...The MFH 50 has a much more superior front axle in my opinion....so possibly...yes the loader could be left on and a rear
attached three point implement could be used:

The frame and loader RAMS were always left on the MF FE 35 X (weight for traction)and the loader itself was always removed when not required:

Bob..Owner operator MF FE 35 X and several other colored Tractors..

 

[John Deere D]

Quote:
And was the loader on your tractor slow? Too slow?

Answer:

With 1.5" Diam. Rams....the loader was satisfactory for the lifting requirements.....
Lifting was acceptable......as per rate of lift....it was ok...

Loader was on MF FE 35 X for a period of 15 years:

I removed the loader and loader frame ..Installed on a JD AR 1949 ...the hydraulic supply was great..as in GPM...rate of lift per minute was double compared to
MF FE 35 X.

Bob...

 

[PineRiverPat]

(reply to post at 17:13:41 02/10/19)

Thank you very much. I appreciate your time and help with this. I would have liked to put a pump on the front of the motor, but there is no room in there to put one. I'd like to put a better pump on the Transmission, but money and time - I have to pass on that. I'm really stuck with just hooking up a couple of cylinders and using the 3-point pump. It is a trip bucket. If it works at all reasonably I am sure I will be happy with it.
It seems to be a great little tractor, runs very well and the transmission and 3-point and all seem to work fine. I like that it has the wide front end.
The decal on the hood says Massey Ferguson 50 The decal on the dash says it is a MH-50. It is a reasonably clean old tractor, the front tires are new the rears have good tread but are weather checked in the treads.
I hope I can post a few pictures when I get the loader hooked up and working and then maybe I could hear from some of you about what you think it's worth, ballpark of course.
Thanks again now,

 

[RedMF40]

For the loader question, my Massey 40 is same tractor as your 50. It came to me with a Ford 770 model loader. Very good loader, plenty fast for my needs and very high reach (don't know how many feet but it will get over the side of a single axle dump with no problem). I'll take some photos when I have a minute and post here (Hyd lines, loader attachment, etc).

 

[PineRiverPat]

(quoted from post at 07:13:07 02/19/19) For the loader question, my Massey 40 is same tractor as your 50. It came to me with a Ford 770 model loader. Very good loader, plenty fast for my needs and very high reach (don't know how many feet but it will get over the side of a single axle dump with no problem). I'll take some photos when I have a minute and post here (Hyd lines, loader attachment, etc).

Thank you. I would like to see photos of your tractor, the loader and especially the hyd. lines, how you have yours set up.

Thank you again.

 

[RedMF40]

Here are some photos of my Massey and loader. I didn't do the installation so I can't really tell you how it all works. When it breaks I'll learn fast

(For others who may be able to help, the OP mentions he has a trip-bucket loader, so I imagine the hydraulics will be more simple than on mine--just need to make the boom go up and down)

 

[PineRiverPat]

(quoted from post at 16:56:23 02/19/19)
Here are some photos of my Massey and loader. I didn't do the installation so I can't really tell you how it all works. When it breaks I'll learn fast

(For others who may be able to help, the OP mentions he has a trip-bucket loader, so I imagine the hydraulics will be more simple than on mine--just need to make the boom go up and down)

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Oh ya. You have a little different set up than I do. You have quite the valve set up. It looks like you have 2-way cylinders. That must be nice. You have a different valve setup on the transmission than I do too.
I just got the cylinders for mine today. I need to get fittings for them and the parts store that usually makes up hoses for me don't know whT fittings are needed for these, they are China made but appear to have SAE fittings. The nipple sticking out of the ram is deeper than normal, so I'll have to ask around until I find someone that knows these.
Thanks for sharing. Looks like a nice little tracor.