mf165 clutch question

[MacL]

Hi - I'm new to this forum so not sure if I'm in the right place asking this question but I'll post it anyway an apoligise later if wrong.

I'm restoring a mf165 1970 tractor that has layed idle for perhaps 20 plus years - I actually drove it as a kid. Engine, brakes, clutch all seized etc.... - progress so far is I got engine turning plus replaced brake disc etc.... so it can roll again. Also did a full dismantle of injector pump that was rusted solid and full of water and leaves .... managed to get that rebuilt and turning and spitting deisel out nozzels again (yet to get it tested properly on a test rig to see it its will actually deliver enought pressure to injectors - that needed new nozzels). So now I've moved onto clutch problems - I split tractor and its had a 12 spring, 10 spline, dual clutch - totally knackered and rusted - so bad springs fell apart onto floor. I ordered a clutch kit and asked specifically for a 12 spring clutch dual but was sent a 9 spring, dual clutch kit and told me that this is the correct clutch for my tractor??? It has a Perking A4.212 engine. Its not multipower. I also had to get the flywheel skimmed as it was badly rusted and pitted.

Finally after all my ranting... what I'd like to know is will this clutch work ok in a tractor that was using a 12 spring clutch or should I return it and look for my money back. Please know that the only thing I repaired up to now are chainsaws so this a totally new a world to me but I'm enjoying the journey!

all the best.
MacL

 

[Timmycornpicker]

Hi - I'm new to this forum so not sure if I'm in the right place asking this question but I'll post it anyway an apoligise later if wrong.

I'm restoring a mf165 1970 tractor that has layed idle for perhaps 20 plus years - I actually drove it as a kid. Engine, brakes, clutch all seized etc.... - progress so far is I got engine turning plus replaced brake disc etc.... so it can roll again. Also did a full dismantle of injector pump that was rusted solid and full of water and leaves .... managed to get that rebuilt and turning and spitting deisel out nozzels again (yet to get it tested properly on a test rig to see it its will actually deliver enought pressure to injectors - that needed new nozzels). So now I've moved onto clutch problems - I split tractor and its had a 12 spring, 10 spline, dual clutch - totally knackered and rusted - so bad springs fell apart onto floor. I ordered a clutch kit and asked specifically for a 12 spring clutch dual but was sent a 9 spring, dual clutch kit and told me that this is the correct clutch for my tractor??? It has a Perking A4.212 engine. Its not multipower. I also had to get the flywheel skimmed as it was badly rusted and pitted.

Finally after all my ranting... what I'd like to know is will this clutch work ok in a tractor that was using a 12 spring clutch or should I return it and look for my money back. Please know that the only thing I repaired up to now are chainsaws so this a totally new a world to me but I'm enjoying the journey!

all the best.
MacL

I did a quick look and LUK 630110010 is a 12 spring clutch kit for an MF165. I don't know why some had 12 spring clutches and some used 9 springs, nor do I know if the 9 will substitute for a 12.

 

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Hi - I'm new to this forum so not sure if I'm in the right place asking this question but I'll post it anyway an apoligise later if wrong.

I'm restoring a mf165 1970 tractor that has layed idle for perhaps 20 plus years - I actually drove it as a kid. Engine, brakes, clutch all seized etc.... - progress so far is I got engine turning plus replaced brake disc etc.... so it can roll again. Also did a full dismantle of injector pump that was rusted solid and full of water and leaves .... managed to get that rebuilt and turning and spitting deisel out nozzels again (yet to get it tested properly on a test rig to see it its will actually deliver enought pressure to injectors - that needed new nozzels). So now I've moved onto clutch problems - I split tractor and its had a 12 spring, 10 spline, dual clutch - totally knackered and rusted - so bad springs fell apart onto floor. I ordered a clutch kit and asked specifically for a 12 spring clutch dual but was sent a 9 spring, dual clutch kit and told me that this is the correct clutch for my tractor??? It has a Perking A4.212 engine. Its not multipower. I also had to get the flywheel skimmed as it was badly rusted and pitted.

Finally after all my ranting... what I'd like to know is will this clutch work ok in a tractor that was using a 12 spring clutch or should I return it and look for my money back. Please know that the only thing I repaired up to now are chainsaws so this a totally new a world to me but I'm enjoying the journey!

all the best.
MacL

Hello MacL, welcome to YT!

Congrats on the injector pump, not a small job. As a safety precaution when you first start it, I would disconnect the intake from the intake manifold and have a board, clipboard, or something else ready to put over the intake manifold just in case the tractor decides to run away.

What company did you get your clutch kit from?

From a quick Google search, it looks like there are both types, though I don't know if they'll interchange.

Some companies have the 12 spring listed as a "heavy duty" clutch, so the 9 spring must be a medium duty one. I would say since you specifically asked for a 12 spring clutch you might have a shot at returning it, but it depends on the company.

Good luck!

 

[Jim.ME]

Welcome to the forums.

9-spring is the medium duty, 12-is the heavy duty. Also confirm the spline count for both disc hubs.

What are your plans for it? If you are going to really work it (tillage running heavy equipment with higher PTO requirements) you want the 12-spring pressure plate. If it is just a trailer queen or a putter around and some light work 9-spring will be ok.

What is your general location? You might add that to the location slot in your profile.

There is a Massey Harris and Massey Ferguson specific forum down below in the Manufacturers section. Sometimes some members hang out on specific forum and don't follow all the forums so you might want to use the Massey forum in the future.

 

[MacL]

Thanks for the prompt replies and the helpful info - I defenitely won't be doing heavy tillage work - usually just tow a trailer for cutting timber. I'm based here in Ireland. I read that the 12 spring clutch was more heavy duty but was wondering would the 9 spring also work if not too much heavy duty work being done. Both kits are 10 spline 12" so hopefully they can be interchanged.
Ya the injector pump was a real learning curve for me - so many bits on the table plus it sat without a top cover with the rain pouring in for years so many hours spent cleaning with replacment parts and seals.

again thanks for the help - much appreciated,

MacL

 

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Thanks for the prompt replies and the helpful info - I defenitely won't be doing heavy tillage work - usually just tow a trailer for cutting timber. I'm based here in Ireland. I read that the 12 spring clutch was more heavy duty but was wondering would the 9 spring also work if not too much heavy duty work being done. Both kits are 10 spline 12" so hopefully they can be interchanged.
Ya the injector pump was a real learning curve for me - so many bits on the table plus it sat without a top cover with the rain pouring in for years so many hours spent cleaning with replacment parts and seals.

again thanks for the help - much appreciated,

MacL

I think you'll be fine with the 9 spring then.

Have fun!