NAA Lift Adjustment

newlife

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I am getting ready to go through the lift cover on an NAA. Reading ahead, the manual lists Nuday tool N-503 which I don’t have that is used to position the lift arms when the draft and position control adjustments are made. The manual also says you can “position hydraulic lift arms so that pin hole in arm is 1/2 - inch above gasket surface of lift cover”. I assume this means that the bottom of the lift arm pin hole is 1/2 - inch above the gasket surface. Also listed are values of exactly 0.342” gap between the shoulder of the control valve and the lift cylinder casting for the draft control adjustment and exactly 0.432” gap for the position control adjustment.

Has anyone used this procedure successfully? How critical is the position of the lift arms when making the adjustment? How critical are the gaps? Any helpful hints?

Thanks in advance for the help.
 
I have used that procedure several times without a problem. I do try and get the "gap" adjustments pretty close to exact.
 
On a flat surface use blocking to get the lift arm level.The gaping should have a thousand's either way according to my manual.Tony Jacobs,rebuilt mine when we converted a sos to a 5 speed, had some round stock machined to the spec. required.All the specs are to be followed to make it function correctly.

HTH

Vito
 
IN an ideal world, when the tractor is new, the manual will work. However in the real world, it took me 4 attempts to get my adjustments to where they would work in the implement position only. I could care less if the draft position works, because I don't have any plans to plow with my Jub.

I recently posted on the ford sight, where I made a 1/2 cam follower, 12-14-2011, because you will find your cam and pin have almost 60 years of wear. I couldn't get my controls to even come close to using the manual's procedure.

Went to the Ford archives and found where someone made their own adjustment procedure. First the only tool you need is a 1/4 inch square piece of metal. I used a 1/4 inch metal lathe bit. When the control rod is 1/4 inch out you are in the neutral position, you stop lifting. Anything less than 1/4 inch will cause the piston to come out, lift arms go up. Anything more than 1/4 inch will cause the arms to drop.

Before you make any adjustments, remove your control arm, the external lever you move up and down. This will allow you to take all your internal control levers out. My guess is you may want to replace the cam follower pin. This will allow you to drive the pin out and replace it. Look at all the parts and you will find they don't fit together very well. Mine had a lot of rust and wear. I had to use shim stock to tighten up some of them. Had to add a washer to push the entire controls over so the cam follower would be closer to the cam.

Because of all the wear, I took a 1/2 inch #2 bolt and spun one end down to fit the 5/16 inch hole the cam follower pin is pressed in. Some of the boys here never fail to gave me heck for the things I do, They said the #2 wasn't hard enough. So what, do you want a harder cam follower pin to do more damage to the cam? Either way, there is going to be wear. The 1/2 in pin I make was just enough to compensate for all the cam wear. By the way, you can remove the sump fill plug and see the cam follower pin, so it's no big deal to me. If there is a next time for me, I'll take a 5/8 inch bolt, spin a part of it down to 1/2 inch to put a brass bushing on for a bearing, then turn the other end down to fit the 5/16 hole. That way, I'll have a bearing to rub on the cam.

Back to the adjusting procedure that worked for me. Put your control lever within an inch of the lowest position, and move the lift arms to the lowest position. There is a rod that moves the control rod that looks like a turn buckle. Adjust that rod for a 1/4 inch space on the control rod. Make sure the turn buckle ends up looking straight with the lever that moves it and both ends of the turn buckle are in the up position, otherwise you may get some binding. Keep in mind this adjustment will allow your arms to drop when you move the control lever down.

Next move your control lever to within an inch of the top. Move your lift arms all the way up. Loosen the acorn nut on the tappet bolt, and adjust the tappet bolt to get the control rod in the neutral position, 1/4 inch.

Before you put it together, make sure all your adjusting levers line up. The lever that is connected to the turn buckle has a cam pin too. Make sure this pin will come in contact with the piston, stopping it from coming all the way out the cylinder.

I coated the cam with white grease. Cleaned the dirt and rust out of the bottom of the sump, filled sump with oil and assembled.

OK, now is the time for all the Nay Sayers to unload.

Hope this helps you. LOL

George
 
(quoted from post at 12:39:15 01/08/12) IN an ideal world, when the tractor is new, the manual will work. However in the real world, it took me 4 attempts to get my adjustments to where they would work in the implement position only. I could care less if the draft position works, because I don't have any plans to plow with my Jub.

I recently posted on the ford sight, where I made a 1/2 cam follower, 12-14-2011, because you will find your cam and pin have almost 60 years of wear. I couldn't get my controls to even come close to using the manual's procedure.

Went to the Ford archives and found where someone made their own adjustment procedure. First the only tool you need is a 1/4 inch square piece of metal. I used a 1/4 inch metal lathe bit. When the control rod is 1/4 inch out you are in the neutral position, you stop lifting. Anything less than 1/4 inch will cause the piston to come out, lift arms go up. Anything more than 1/4 inch will cause the arms to drop.

Before you make any adjustments, remove your control arm, the external lever you move up and down. This will allow you to take all your internal control levers out. My guess is you may want to replace the cam follower pin. This will allow you to drive the pin out and replace it. Look at all the parts and you will find they don't fit together very well. Mine had a lot of rust and wear. I had to use shim stock to tighten up some of them. Had to add a washer to push the entire controls over so the cam follower would be closer to the cam.

Because of all the wear, I took a 1/2 inch #2 bolt and spun one end down to fit the 5/16 inch hole the cam follower pin is pressed in. Some of the boys here never fail to gave me heck for the things I do, They said the #2 wasn't hard enough. So what, do you want a harder cam follower pin to do more damage to the cam? Either way, there is going to be wear. The 1/2 in pin I make was just enough to compensate for all the cam wear. By the way, you can remove the sump fill plug and see the cam follower pin, so it's no big deal to me. If there is a next time for me, I'll take a 5/8 inch bolt, spin a part of it down to 1/2 inch to put a brass bushing on for a bearing, then turn the other end down to fit the 5/16 hole. That way, I'll have a bearing to rub on the cam.

Back to the adjusting procedure that worked for me. Put your control lever within an inch of the lowest position, and move the lift arms to the lowest position. There is a rod that moves the control rod that looks like a turn buckle. Adjust that rod for a 1/4 inch space on the control rod. Make sure the turn buckle ends up looking straight with the lever that moves it and both ends of the turn buckle are in the up position, otherwise you may get some binding. Keep in mind this adjustment will allow your arms to drop when you move the control lever down.

Next move your control lever to within an inch of the top. Move your lift arms all the way up. Loosen the acorn nut on the tappet bolt, and adjust the tappet bolt to get the control rod in the neutral position, 1/4 inch.

Before you put it together, make sure all your adjusting levers line up. The lever that is connected to the turn buckle has a cam pin too. Make sure this pin will come in contact with the piston, stopping it from coming all the way out the cylinder.

I coated the cam with white grease. Cleaned the dirt and rust out of the bottom of the sump, filled sump with oil and assembled.

OK, now is the time for all the Nay Sayers to unload.

Hope this helps you. LOL

George
eorge, we have had enough correspondence over the years for you to know that I'm NOT one of the nay-sayers, but.........I must say, "tappet bolt" is a term foreign to most working under the top cover. :?:
 
Thanks for the input. I am sure I will have more questions once I pull the lift cover. Hopefully it will make sense how it works when I do. I do have access to a lathe so making custom pins should not be too hard.

Thanks again.
 
Jessie, Got the term Tappet bolt form the archives. It's the second adjusting bolt that is held in place with a locking nut, is inside a spring and has a weird looking head. Sorry for the confusion. Other than the term, tell me if you didn't know what I was talking about?
George
 
(quoted from post at 23:47:04 01/08/12) Jessie, Got the term Tappet bolt form the archives. It's the second adjusting bolt that is held in place with a locking nut, is inside a spring and has a weird looking head. Sorry for the confusion. Other than the term, tell me if you didn't know what I was talking about?
George
eorge, I had a good idea, but didn't expect everyone might.
I call it the position control adjusting rod/bolt, or the one just above the tip of the screwdriver that you are holding. :)
Sounds good to me. You do have stick-to-it-ivness! :)
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George, Thanks.

I got the lift cover off and the cam follower pin is about half worn. Don't know how much the cam is worn because I dont know what it looked like when it started, but I do like the idea of making a stepped pin to compensate for the wear.

Thanks again.
 
You may be able to get by with the 5/16 cam follower, I couldn't. Keep in mind the when you adjust the turn buckle adjustment out, making it longer, you run the risk of allowing the piston to come of the cylinder more. Mine did and I ended up with my lift arms pinching the axle.

Don't forget to remove the control lever, the one you move to raise and lower the arms. This will allow you to take the internal linkage out.

Also, remove the dog bone, the rod that pushes against the piston. This will allow you to move the lift arms up and down. LOL Post back. Like to know how it works out for you.
George
 
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