New Find

[mnbryan]

What can you guys tell me about the 200 B--H? Whats it worth? Is it industrial or a
farm tractor? Looks like a nice straight tractor. Runs good.

 

[mnbryan]

OOPS, First time posting photo's, how do you make them right side up?

 

[Joe (Wa)]

210B-H is a utility tractor built only 2 years 1958 -1959. Your serial nr is 1959. Engine is gas 126 cid, 25-30 hp claimed, probably on the low end of that. Can't really tell in pic but appears to be dual range shuttle. Look at your 4 speed transmission shift pattern if no reverse then it has dual range shuttle mounted in front of the transmission. Dual range shuttle design is for loader duty 8 speeds forward and 8 speeds reverse with reverse speed 25% faster than forward to provide faster loader cycles.

I think pic orientation has something to do with cell phone but I am too dumb to explain it.

Joe

 

[chuck machinist]

When you take the picture on your SMART phone, make sure the lens on your camera lens is at the top left corner. This is on the I-Phone. If you are left handed ,like Pastor John, this can be challenging. Just think of where your lens is orientated before you snap the shot.Best of luck. CM

 

[L.Fure]

Being that this 200B has a PTO and eagle hitch the lever on the left hand side of the transmission is most likely a hand clutch.

If this tractor runs right and fits your budget, you should buy it.

 

[John Saeli]

Your 210-B-H is sort of a mixture of Farm Tractor & Industrial. The 210 designation itself says it is a "Utility", better suited for industrial than farm, because of the heavy duty loader & heavy duty front axle. However, your 210B does not appear to have the higher volume front crank driven hydraulic pump for faster loader operation. It also has the Eagle Hitch & PTO found on the farm tractors. The "H" means that your 210B has a high speed 4th. Without the front pump, that 210B is better suited for farm. It is worth what the highest bidder is willing to pay.

 

[Joe (Wa)]

The lever is too high for a hand clutch unless modified someway. Appears to be a shuttle fwd-rev lever like in this 310B dual shuttle tractor pic.

The tractor has fixed rear axle, fixed HD front axle with cylinder type power steering. Someone has changed the grill decal slant "200" to horizontal "210". I have seen 210B with pto but not Eagle hitch although it was a factory option.

Joe

 

[mnbryan]

That lever on the left is a dual range shuttle shift. It is a foot clutch. It does have some sort of power steering. It was bitterly cold so I did not run it. However, it only has one way cylinders on the main loader so it is gravity down. Can that be changed? Can a blade, or disk or cultivator or even mower be added to the eagle hitch? Does it need to be converted to 3 point? It is a cute little tractor! Not sure I need it but I sure want it!!!

 

[Joe Young]

mnbryan, you found a very nice example of a 210B with a model 21 loader in what appears to be good condition. The shuttle transmission and power steering make it very desirable IMHO. There were 359 210Bs made during 1958 (162) & 1959 (197).

You could convert the main cylinders on the loader to dual action, but I would not recommend doing so for two reasons. First, the unit was designed for use in the current configuration. The hydraulic capacity of these little tractors is not what you might expect with modern tractors. They were rated at 9 GPH when new. Aux pumps (with up to 19 gpm service) were available and used when a backhoe and loader with dual action cylinders where attached.

The second reason I would not change it...is the tractor appears to be a very good example of an unmolested 210B with a 21 loader. Anything you do to modify it will reduce it's value IMHO.

The eagle hitch is essentially a category 1 setup that will allow you to connect to most category 1 implements. I don't see the top link, but they are not that hard to find if you ultimately need one.

What's it worth.... If the engine, clutch, transmission and hydraulics are in good working condition I would be a buyer between $2000-$2500. In excellent condition maybe as high as $3500. Any mechanical issues...well you'll never buy it cheap enough to fix all issues and get your money back, but that may not be what will motivate all buyers. - Joe

 

[L.Fure]

Joe,
I didn't notice the long lever on the left side, or the other things you pointed out. The tractor is. still a good find though. The shuttle shift will work nice while clearing snow, or loading a manure spreader.

 

[Zach81]

Nice tractor. At one time I had 4 200 series, now down to only 3 and I'll tell you why. So the one I ended up selling is similar to that one except it was a bareback. Being you could add more rear weight to that one with your eagle hitch is a plus. I can tell you that a 210 with the 21 loader running off tractor hydraulics won't pick up much more that a Case 644 garden tractor or a 1816 unloader. If you want to do much loader work I would walk away. However like others have stated that is a very nice collectors piece and appears to be in great condition. If you end up getting it you will HAVE to load the rear tires and add cast weight. A bad problem with that heavy duty loader is that it makes the 210 extremely front heavy. Add a 500 - 700 lb load and they are worthless to move without serious ballast on the back. I can assure you a 210 with a 31 loader with 2 way cylinders /dual bucket cylinders with crank driven pump will blow the 21 out of the water. Makes it a totally different tractor. If you get it and have other questions just let me know. Good luck!

 

[mnbryan]

I am not planning on using it a whole bunch, Maybe light yard work and leveling the driveway. I have a 2 acre lot on a small lake that needs mowing one or twice a year and thought that it might work for that if I can find a 5' brush mower. Also I thought the loader might come in handy for putting in the dock and pontoon lift but I am a bit concerned about getting stuck with the heavy front end and loader on it. My son is excited because he thinks he will be able to use it for food plots for the deer!!!! I believe I can get it bought for $2500.

 

[L.Fure]

$2500.00 sounds reasonable for that tractor. Start it and drive it before you close the deal. If you do end up buying it, make sure you use an over run coupler on the PTO when using a bush mower on it. The ORC will keep the momentum of the mower blades from pushing the tractor when you push the foot clutch to stop the tractor.

 

[BarryfromIA]

On my 210b-h I normally have 10 of the CASE rectangular and some times add 200# more on the back with the winter tire chains and this can still be light in back with a 1000# bale on forks replacing the bucket.

 

[kenbob]

OK I will ask the dumb question here. If it has the same 4 gears going back or forward, why is it faster in reverse? My only guess is less power loss due to power taking a more direct route in reverse.

 

[Zach81]

The shuttle gears are set up that way on purpose as to be able to back out of your pile quicker to go dump. Then the forward is slower so you have more torque to push In the pile to fill your bucket. I believe the forward gearing on the shuttle is like a direct drive while reverse is a slight overdrive to go faster. All power is transmitted though the shuttle first so technically on the dual range 210 will go faster In reverse road gear rather than forward. Haha.

 

[kenbob]

22mph in reverse is something this geezer would never try.

 

[Joe (Wa)]

The difference is in the gear ratio between fwd and rev in the shuttle transmission that is mounted in front of the 4 speed transmission. You are using the same 4 speed transmission gears in fwd and rev but different gears in the shuttle transmission.

I don't have a 200B parts book, go to this CaseIH link to view 300B shuttle parts, same or similar to 200B.

Joe
https://partstore.caseih.com/us/parts search.html?csid e6e433ca57454d9ed98c3f8cbc8013b4&sl EN&currency epc::mr48962ar661772

 

[kenbob]

Was the shuttle on the Case a case product? I see Sherman made one for ford in the late 50's, but it would seem Case may have been a little ahead of them. I wonder which manufacturer was first?

 

[mEl]

The gearing in the shuttle box is different from forward to reverse. nothing wrong, it's built that way on purpose.

 

[mnbryan]

Well, I got the deal done today! I was never able to hear it run or drive it because it has been so cold up here but, the tractor is only 20 miles away so if it does not run, I hopefully have some recourse!!! The fella selling it seems like a good guy. He just needed a bigger loader for his little farm. The only thing that worries me is he is selling a case instead of just adding another one to the herd!!!

Thank you to all of you for the input on this tractor!