New Tire Mounting

[Kerwin]

Are there any tricks to getting a new
tubeless tire to expand out and seat on a
rim? I've got an old Coats 1010 changer.
Most older tubeless tires catch the rim
fine with my changer. Thanks

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 08:08:21 10/15/22) Are there any tricks to getting a new
tubeless tire to expand out and seat on a
rim? I've got an old Coats 1010 changer.
Most older tubeless tires catch the rim
fine with my changer. Thanks

Well, if you've got the cajones to try it, there is always the ether explosion trick. I guess one could use spray starter fluid. With the tire on the rim, spray the fluid inside the tire and introduce a flame. The little explosion will expand the tire and seat it on the rim. I've never had to try it myself but have seen Youtube videos of guys doing it. I would watch one of the videos before trying it though.

Just do a search on "Seating a tractor with ether". There are plenty of videos of people doing it, so I guess it's not really as far out a practice as it sounds.

This post was edited by Caryc on 10/15/2022 at 08:22 am.

 

[mtf]

Does your changer have the air blast? And is it working? You might look into a bead cheetah, to help.

 

[Zachary Hoyt]

I did the ether thing on a trailer tire once and it worked fine. I started with a very little bit, and it worked. I had figured if the first try wasn't enough to explode I could always try again, but if I used too much I'd ruin the tire.

 

[Michael Soldan]

I have wrapped a rachet strap around the center tread and tightened it up which does bulge the tire out. I have another method but the safety police don't like it , but it works everytime.

 

[rrlund]

Take the valve core out, put the chuck right on the valve stem so you get a big blast of air and lift and twist on the tire.

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 08:58:28 10/15/22) I did the ether thing on a trailer tire once and it worked fine. I started with a very little bit, and it worked. I had figured if the first try wasn't enough to explode I could always try again, but if I used too much I'd ruin the tire.

Hmmm...I don't know about ruining the tire. When you think about it, as soon as the beads seal on the rim, there is no more oxygen to facilitate the fire and explosion. But, I could be wrong. As I said I have never tried the method myself.

 

[sotxbill]

Rarely when that happens... I finally bought a 5 gallon container of murphys tire soap... and now I just make a 2 inch thick dounut to put between the tire and the upper bead... then as I slowly air it up, you can scoop the murphys soap off the rim. You end up getting almost all of the tire soap back. If you air it too fast, you get to wear the tire soap. This works when all of the other methods fail. A few tires are just too collapsed for the coat's bead blaster, or choke rope, or cheata tank to work.

btw.. when I do tire work, I end up looking like a fell into a mud pit.

 

[mjsnodgrass]

16 inch bicycle tube between rim and tire. inflate it so it's about 3 inch es diameter. may have to play with tube a little to get it to seal. never fails for me. good luck

 

[504]

The 10 10 did not have a blast,you will find some that had the blaster kit added to them.

 

[Michael Soldan]

At the shop I worked at we used to have tires delivered and they were often crushed and packed together. WE had a box of wooden blocks about 6 long. WE would put the blocks in and hold the beads open and set the tire out in the sun for an hour or so. They usually beaded up easily. We also had a donut about the size of a bike tube that we jammed between the rim and bead. We aired up the donut and then the tire , as the tire aired up it squeezed the donut out. Murphy's soap will work...always !

 

[old]

I've done it many times with the old 22.5 truck tires I had on my 1963 Diamond -T

 

[caterpillar guy]

For the ether to work it has to be warm not cold like out in the cold in a shed. Room temperature works, 30 degree ether does not. I have several ways I use. And most of them were mentioned here. The ether for some works and some will not stay seated to get the air hoes on. The air blast works in the cold best, or the murphy mounting compound works in any temperature. The strap and ratchet tightening the strap to push the beads out never worked very well for me. It would buckle the tread in in one spot on me, and not push the whole bead out all the way around even enough to get them started. I have also put the long side of the tire and wheel up with the wheel set so I could push the wheel down to help set the back side then turn it around and sometimes could wiggle the tire on the wheel and have it set the other one enough they would inflate. I have seen the tire and wheel jump a couple feet of the floor with ether using it for this job.

 

[Kerwin]

Haven't had a lot of time to work on it but no luck with the tie-down strapped around the tire, just bunched up in one spot. Tried the air blast through the open valve stem without success. I'm going to try the blocks to stretch them out in the sun next. Thanks for the suggestions.

 

[Ray(MO)]

I use a bead blaster.

 

[glennster]

order a milton 731 recappers plug. it is an air chuck fitting that screws onto the valve stem. remove the valve core, using the long core tool, then chuck to your airline, i have a throttle valve on my air hose, makes it easier. it sends a lot of air into the tire seating it. , the pop your air chuck off and insert the valve core thru the recappers plug. here is a link.
poke here

 

[ASEguy]

We use a Cheetah. Looks like an air tank with a 2 diameter pipe sticking out. They are not cheap. You may want to take them to a tire shop and see if they'll inflate them for you for a small fee.

 

[Keith True]

Yep,the 2020 was a 1010 with the air blast kit added on.I have one but the air blast doesn't get them all.I cram a bunch of double ended open end wrenches between the beads,holding them spread apart.In the winter I'll put them in front of the furnace fan for a while.I have some of the old red inflatable ropes,never thought too much of them.Now I have a tank with a 2 inch outlet and a duckbill end.Also has a quick release trigger to dump all the air in a split second.I usually have to use that on the 16.5 tires on my Bobcat and manlift.

 

[Steve@Advance]

One thing that helps with tires that have been wrapped or stacked lying flat, prop them open as far as possible with wood blocks or whatever you can find to spread the beads apart. Give them a couple days in a warm place if possible.

I usually have good success with wrapping a ratchet strap around the middle, sometimes 2 for wide tires like garden tractor tires.

Take the valve core out, use a clamp on chuck to free up both hands.

When all else fails, take it to the tire shop and they can seat it with an air blaster for a couple dollars.

 

[old]

In the past I have taken AND PUT ONE BEAD ON THEN HUNG THE RIM WITH THE TIRE ON THE BOTTOM and let it hang a couple days which causes the tire to widen so it then sits wide enough to seat the beads but I also have 5 chain hoists hanging in my shop

 

[560Dennis]

Mounted pulling tires with the cheetah , high pressure air blast unit ,works good

 

[Texasmark]

HF has a 5 gal pressure blaster, 2 outlet as I recall, ball valve controlled.....was a hundred buck when I bought mine. Soap and water the tire sealing surfaces good before you start.

Get their clamp on Schrader valve attachment for your air compressor with a ball valve on the AC line. Fill the tank, put tire on the floor, turn on the air, point the nozzle between the tire and wheel and open the valve....if everything goes as planned, the tire will be filling as you marvel at what you just saw happen.

Otherwise I use the fluorescent orange 1 1/2 adjustable straps and squeeze the center of the tread till the beads contact the wheel. Usually it takes 2 180* apart. Apply air at the schrader valve and when the rim seats, remove belts and continue filling.

 

[caterpillar guy]

The bead blast is used between the rim lip and the tire bead. The air will push the pipe back out of the way to seat. You want a clip on air chuck to have air flowing when you blast it to keep the beads up and inflating tire.