Oliver 1650

[ron wis]

Just realized my oliver 1650 gas is 50 yrs old this year. This tractor runs every day doing chores. I do not know if the new ones made today will be as reliable.

 

[Centerplate]

also feed heifers every day with a 1650 gas.

 

[BANDITFARMER]

25 years from now I would bet the old 1650 will still be running, The new ones now will be dead by then because the computer will be dead. Sad truth. Bandit

 

[e]

I don't think it's the sad truth, it's more paranoia than anything.

Back in 1994 when Deere introduced the 8000 series, all the Debbie downers were saying how those electronics were going to render those tractors useless in 10 years. Here we are 21 years later and they are some of the most sought after tractors and bring a premium. Don't see many of those parked along the fence row with a dead computer do you? How about the Magnums? Introduced in 1988 and 27 years later they are still harolded as some of the most reliable tractors ever built. I'd bet way more have been scrapped because of mechanical issues than electronic.

With all the electronics we have on the farm, we hands down spend more time and money fixing mechanical issues than electronic. What is going to kill any tractor regardless of age is going to be parts availability. That's the real enemy.

 

[calf]

Don't see many 1650's that still have the factory grain shovel holder! LOL

(quoted from post at 04:12:44 01/10/15) also feed heifers every day with a 1650 gas.

 

[rrlund]

My 77 is 64 years old and I still use it 7 days a week on the Gehl feed cart.

 

[Hayrack]

e, I do agree with you to a point on the paranoia, but when I watched an 8870 New Holland literally rendered useless when its computer board cracked, I would agree with the paranoia. BTW, the total repair cost of the replacement board and reprogramming to get the tractor going again was over $12,000.

 

[BANDITFARMER]

Well I will revise my remarks this way, These new tractors now will be running as long as the manufactures support the computers and electronics.

That being said I know of 2 9400 Deere combines that are dead because of bad computers and no replacements are being made. Combine was dropped from the line up and so was the support after 15 years. This is the bad thing about computer systems, There always changing. Being the computer system belongs to the manufacture nobody can make a system to replace it unless they get permission from the manufacture to do so. That's likely not to happen. Its like Windows Vista its a dead system with no support and no one is doing anything with it now because its just outdated. Bandit

 

[king_crusher]

i also have a 1650 but a diesel as a chore tractor.
easy start, good brakes and reliable. have a allied 595 loader which is heavy & well built. power steering is weak point but can be corrected.

 

[1970-1655]

I tried to use my 1650 today but it decided it is too cold. The transmission shift lever will not move, it is frozen solid. Maybe tomorrow- nope, weather looks worse tomorrow.

 

[e]

The thing that gets me is if someone was going to be afraid of electronics, shouldn't they be just as afraid of all the mechanical stuff too? What if that 8870 tossed a rod, shucked out a transmission, lost a hydraulic pump? It would have been just as useless, right?

Your example is a perfect example of paranoia. Look it up, the most expensive computer on an 8870 is $720.13. Don't want to spend that? There is a reman option for less. Figure worse case the dealer needs to upload some software and recalibrate the trans. Half a days labor at $80/hr and you'd be around $1200, not $12,000.

Another perfect example is the 9400 combines mentioned below. There is only one main computer. Part number AH148192 - $1130.09 and it's available. And what about bone yards? They only made thousands of 9000 series combines and there is a pile in the bone yards with more coming in. Like anything, there is usually more to the story. Probably those machines were well past their useful life and that was the straw that broke the camels back so they weren't worth investing more time and money in them.

If people are scared of electronics, they should be more scared of all the modern mechanical stuff. Shell out an IVT and you could replace all the sensors, harnesses, and computers for less money than the transmission. Take an engine for a 4wd tractor. Most are running around $60k for a factor fresh engine and around $40k for a reman. Again, my pocket book would rather replace electrical parts than iron.

 

[Married2Allis]

Just picked up this old girl in Northern PA. I went to look at a few Olivers at an equipment dealer a few weeks ago. He had this one and a newer 1750. They were both parked at the top of a big hill and the 1750 wouldn't bump start after trying to get it in gear all the way down to bottom of the hill. So the guy started up this 1650 then went and pulled the 5-ton 1750 all the way up that steep hill. The exhaust burned almost clean and it sounded really good. I was sold to say the least!

 

[J. Schwiebert]

Now compare it to the pictures of the 2 1750 models you posted before. This is what a 1750 engine looks like. This one just has a shorter stroke. Good choice!

 

[Lovespullin]

(quoted from post at 05:30:51 01/10/15) 25 years from now I would bet the old 1650 will still be running, The new ones now will be dead by then because the computer will be dead. Sad truth. Bandit

So I can assume your car or truck is carbureted?

Do the ECMs die? Sure they do, but they have been around since the 80s and I know many that have never been replaced.

Older tractors are cheaper and easier to repair and I love em, but the support for them is dwindling as well.

 

[Cas]

I was just reading that newer John Deeres with the CVT cam not be worked on unless you equipped to work down to 0.0001 inch. Rebuilt CVT is about $28,000 plus labor. If things continue, I wonder what it would be in 15 to 20 years.

 

[Married2Allis]

(quoted from post at 11:45:32 01/11/15) Now compare it to the pictures of the 2 1750 models you posted before. This is what a 1750 engine looks like. This one just has a shorter stroke. Good choice!

Yes I am thrilled, have wanted one of these since I was a kid. Just has a transmission cooler leak and I believe that is the only minor problem. I'd like to learn more about the heads on these motors -- looks like there are at least two types, one has the 'crossfire' type intake and the other with a 6-port type intake. Maybe different air flow between them.