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I have a 1949 front distributer 8n I have put in new plugs, new key switch, and new wires. When i have spark it is a great white spark. The problem is I do not have
spark all the time. The points are opening ok and when they should. I have a new battery that measures 6.3 volts. Would it be the coil or the condenser that is causing
this problem? The tractor has not been run for a long long time. When it was parked it ran great.
 
Recently I had a similar issue. Trouble shooting guide, (competing forum), said if it runs for 30 minutes and then loses spark, it is the coil. If it runs for 30 seconds or less and loses spark it is the condenser. I had just replaced points and condenser and I had the 30 second loss of spark. Re-installed the old condenser and problem solved. Bad condenser right out of the box!
Joe
 
For what its worth, I replaced the wires, cap, and rotor on my front mount. When reassembling I must have bent the little coil spring that makes contact from the coil. Not surprising as it can be difficult getting the coil back in place. Anyway it would start and then die right way, or run a bit then die, finally no spark at all. Looking over my work I see the spring was bent a little. So I straightened it and pulled out a little longer, and this time more carefully put it back together. Ran perfect. My thought is that spring must have been lightly touching or close enough to make contact occasionally but not consistently. Maybe something for you to check while you're in there.
 
It could be a lot of things causing that problem. The coil & condenser would be at the bottom of my list.

Tracing an intermittent spark is a PITA. So you need to check every likely possibility.

The first thing you need to check is for battery voltage at the coil as soon as it stops. Not 5 minutes later. Yes, you need a meter for that, not a light. With the key on, you should see battery voltage battery with the points open and about half that with the points closed. If you do not see either, the problem is between the battery and the coil, e.g., the resistor, ignition switch or a bad connection.

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok (*see below), & that you have correct voltage to the coil , the most common reasons for no spark or a weak spark on the front distributor are below. Check each one carefully. Even if you find a problem, check all 10:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw & where the copper strip attaches. (it's fiber & will wear out; poke & prod w/ your meter leads to make sure it still works) If you need to replace the insulator, use a .250 x 3/8 nylon square nylon anchor nut available at most big box home stores.

2. The pigtail at the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the concave head brass screw inside the distributor. (With the coil on, the pigtail must firmly contact the brass screw. No contact = no spark) Check for continuity between the top of the coil and the pig tail; a 6 volt coil will be around 1 ohm & a 12 volt coil should be 2 to 3 ohms.

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate. (look very carefully for cracks & breaks) .

4. The distributor is not grounded to the block because of paint or grease acting as an insulator. Or the points plate is covered in oil.

5. The tab on the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the brass button on the cap. (With the cap on, the tab must firmly contact the brass button. No contact = no spark.) Check for continuity between the top of the coil and the tab; you should see about 6k ohms.

6. A grounding issue inside the distributor: Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground. (the open part of the clip goes between 7 & 9 o'clock on the plate. That puts the straight part of the clip opposite of the timing screw at 3 o'clock) or the condenser wire is grounding to the plate or side of the distributor.

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket.(the coil must not move at all; if it does, replace the gasket or bail. Or stick some cardboard under the bail).

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket. (the cap AND coil have gaskets)

9. Dirty/corroded/burned/incorrectly gapped or misaligned points. I use only Wells, Blue Streak or Echlin brand points (* *see below). If you are using quality points and cannot get the gap to open to .015, chances are you need to replace the bushings. If the shaft has any sideways movement AT ALL, the bushings must be replaced. (*** see below) If the tractor has been sitting unused for a few months, it?s highly likely that the points are glazed. Dress them with brown paper or card stock. Do NOT use a file or sandpaper. That removes the thin metallic coating on the surface and reduces point life considerably. With the points closed, you should have continuity between them; high resistance means they are glazed.

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap. Brass ?dust? in the cap is a sure sign of bushing wear.

After find the problem & re-check the point gap, do a continuity check before you put the distributor back on the tractor. Before you start, make sure your meter/light works.

With the distributor still off the tractor, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Put the coil on the distributor, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil misaligned trying to put it back together, one piece at a time. The result is something gets broken or you get a 'no spark' problem.
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(quoted from post at 14:25:37 04/08/20) Recently I had a similar issue. Trouble shooting guide, (competing forum), said if it runs for 30 minutes and then loses spark, it is the coil. If it runs for 30 seconds or less and loses spark it is the condenser. I had just replaced points and condenser and I had the 30 second loss of spark. Re-installed the old condenser and problem solved. Bad condenser right out of the box!
Joe

last year, my 2n lost spark after 30 to 60 seconds. turned out to be the points. condenser still in there, and the N is purring like a kitten again :)
 
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