One more reason I'm glad I switched to 12 Volts

[SteveB(OH)]

So last night my wife went out to her car to roll up her windows. She pushed the starter button w/o her foot on the brake and the ignition turned on. She rolled up the windows and came back inside. Of course the dashboard was lit up like a Christmas tree, but that isn't important - Right ? :roll:

Naturally, the battery was dead as a door nail this morning.

I tried to jump it from my GMC Envoy, but it has those stupid side terminals and all I could clip the jumper cables to was the tiny hex head that screws them in. I just couldn't get enough current through that connection. Why did GM think that side terminals were a good idea ?

So, 8N to the rescue. When I connected the jumper cables I could actually hear the load on the engine.

I let it charge at 20 amps for a while, then fired up her van.

So I guess the lesson here is either A) Convert your N to 12 volts, or B) teach your wife that lights on the dashboard mean something needs attention...

 

[Mad Farmer]

(quoted from post at 09:01:15 09/22/23)

So last night my wife went out to her car to roll up her windows. She pushed the starter button w/o her foot on the brake and the ignition turned on. She rolled up the windows and came back inside. Of course the dashboard was lit up like a Christmas tree, but that isn't important - Right ? :roll:

Naturally, the battery was dead as a door nail this morning.

I tried to jump it from my GMC Envoy, but it has those stupid side terminals and all I could clip the jumper cables to was the tiny hex head that screws them in. I just couldn't get enough current through that connection. Why did GM think that side terminals were a good idea ?

So, 8N to the rescue. When I connected the jumper cables I could actually hear the load on the engine.

I let it charge at 20 amps for a while, then fired up her van.

So I guess the lesson here is either A) Convert your N to 12 volts, or B) teach your wife that lights on the dashboard mean something needs attention...

Get the wife a charger and extension cord for Christmas.

Then you will be off the hook for having to start up the N.....

 

[SteveB(OH)]

I have a charger, but she had to get to work, so no time for that

 

[Tim PloughNman Daley RIP]

Which battery was dead - car or tractor? You say car, GM, Evoy, 8N, and van. Lost in translation. If car battery was dead wouldn't be getting dash lights. GM had
nothing to do with the side post battery. Doesn't satisfy reasoning to switch to 12V. You are guessing, stating an opinion, with no facts presented. How did you jump
it? There is a correct way and a few incorrect ways. You can also jump start a 6V system with your 12V car battery but gotsta know how to do it right. When you jumper
to host, you are only using the host power supply to run on. BTW, leaving it connected will not charge derelict battery. How do you figure you at 20 AMPS? Where did
that come from? Connecting a trickle charger won't do squat if battery is dead. Get battery tested at a shop under load on their machine or Test Specific Gravity with
a hydrometer first. It's a pretty good bet your battery is dead. So when the wife got her vehicle running and went to shop, also a good bet she would end up with non-
starting issue when she went to leave the mall.

Tim Daley (MI)

 

[SteveB(OH)]

Wow, it's so sad to see the YT forums turn into the cesspool of the rest of the internet forums. This used to be one of the last civil places to share posts, but I suppose not any more.

I probably shouldn't waste my time with a reply, but I'll add this one rebuttal and be gone.

(quoted from post at 04:02:43 09/23/23)

Which battery was dead - car or tractor? You say car, GM, Evoy, 8N, and van. Lost in translation.

[color=red:4092795209]It's pretty obvious that I was talking about the battery in the van, read the first paragraph and next line again[/color:4092795209]


If car battery was dead wouldn't be getting dash lights.

[color=red:4092795209]What does this have to do with anything, how is your statement relevant ?[/color:4092795209]

GM had nothing to do with the side post battery.

[color=red:4092795209]Yes they did, they manufactured my car using side post battery[/color:4092795209]


Doesn't satisfy reasoning to switch to 12V.

[color=red:4092795209]That's a big leap. Being able to jump 12V systems is indeed a reason for converting. It's not the only reason, and it may not make it the best choice for you, but it's a reason. [u:4092795209]And this post isn't about the pros/cons of 12V. [/u:4092795209] The whole thing was sorta tongue and cheek, but nowadays nobody has a sense of humor because they ALWAYS have to be superior and right !! [/color:4092795209]

You are guessing [color=red:4092795209]What did I guess about ?[/color:4092795209],

stating an opinion [color=red:4092795209]Uh, not really - again this wasn't a 12v conversion post[/color:4092795209],

with no facts presented [color=red:4092795209]Wow this is weird, what facts would you like me to present ? What would those facts be about ?? I guess there is the fact that I jump started my wife's van with my 8N does that satisfy your requirement for facts[/color:4092795209] ?.

How did you jump
it?

[color=red:4092795209]What difference does it make to you ? [/color:4092795209]

There is a correct way and a few incorrect ways.[color=red:4092795209] Thanks for the PSA[/color:4092795209]

You can also jump start a 6V system with your 12V car battery but gotsta know how to do it right. [color=red:4092795209]How did we get here ? [/color:4092795209]

When you jumper
to host, you are only using the host power supply to run on. BTW, leaving it connected will not charge derelict battery. How do you figure you at 20 AMPS?
Where did
that come from?

[color=red:4092795209]It came from the Ammeter on the 8N which swung to ... wait for it... +20 amps[/color:4092795209]


Connecting a trickle charger won't do squat if battery is dead.

[color=red:4092795209]Nothing was ever said about a trickle charger[/color:4092795209]

Get battery tested at a shop under load on their machine or Test Specific Gravity with
a hydrometer first. It's a pretty good bet your battery is dead. So when the wife got her vehicle running and went to shop, also a good bet she would end up with non-
starting issue when she went to leave the mall.

[color=red:4092795209]Remember when you stated "You are guessing, stating and opinion, with no facts presented" ?? Well guess what, you just did that because it's been 2 days now and her battery is working find. She did not get stranded at the mall.
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Tim Daley (MI)

 

[Ultradog MN]

Tim,
Thanks for the interesting post - and your usual divagation when this topic comes up.
He stated he was glad that he had converted his tractor to 12V because he was able jump his wife's car with it.
PS
12V batteries are usually sealed. No need to add water every 3 days like your diagram recommends.

 

[Ultradog MN]

The internet ain't for sissies.
Gird your loins man and stick with us.

 

[Hobo,NC]

You done good, I would think your Envoy has a prevision to jump start with maybe not, I know trucks do. Its still a challenge sometimes to get a good connection.

Jump box's are cheap and handy these days I will post what I use when I get in the shop.

Hydrometers are a thing of the past if you are informed well it just proves what you already should know. If you don't know you set out to find what you don't know. If you know why waist the time its not like its hiding from ya.

The total numbers add up just like any number so why waist the time to find where the total is lost. The outcome will be the same solution.

 

[Eman85]

It is handy to be able to jump off of your tractor's battery. On the other hand I very rarely use jumper cables any more since I got a booster.

 

[DennyD]

As a non-mechanic, I value 12V for its durability/utility (in situations like this certainly), and (although purists may disagree) I like electronic ignition for its user-friendliness and ability to start during moist conditions.

 

[Mad Farmer]

(quoted from post at 08:32:42 09/23/23) It is handy to be able to jump off of your tractor's battery. On the other hand I very rarely use jumper cables any more since I got a booster.

Jumper cables fit under the seat of the PU. Don't need charging. And won't crap out on electronics besides costing a whole lot less..........

 

[Caryc]

My 8N is also 12 volts but, do yourself a favor and buy one of these. It's always ready to start any tractor or car. No messing around with moving any vehicle or with hooking up cables.

 

[Eman85]

(quoted from post at 09:16:55 09/25/23)

(quoted from post at 08:32:42 09/23/23) It is handy to be able to jump off of your tractor's battery. On the other hand I very rarely use jumper cables any more since I got a booster.

Jumper cables fit under the seat of the PU. Don't need charging. And won't crap out on electronics besides costing a whole lot less..........

Good jumper cables cost quite a bit, cheap jumper cables are best left under the seat. Vehicles that need jumping are rarely in the easiest place to put another vehicle in position to jump.
I've got a Noco like pictured and it will spin a diesel while most jumper cables will spark or smoke.