OT.but worth the time

[petetx]

learned something today while visiting a friend but if your a farmer rancher or own 1 chicken or a horse go to this websight it woke up this old man www.farmersandranchersfreedom.org

 

[NIndianaDan]

Mornin, Doesn't seem to be any site with that address? Or I can't get there.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Think this it....
Farm & Ranch Freedom Alliance

 

[rgvtx]

I found it here:
http://farmandranchfreedom.org
Sounds pretty far fetched, but if your one to believe big brother is constantly watching you then this might be another good band wagon to jump on and get taken for a ride.
I guess there could be one advantage, if I had a microchip in my chickens then I might be able to find that coyote that got in and killed and ate one of my roosters! Wouldn't that be cool? Ride around with my rifle in one hand and my GPS in the other seeking revenge for loosing a chicken?
The Missing Link

 

[Lanse]

Wow. What will they think of next. So Im supposed to tag all 50something of my chickens because???

 

[Dave from MN]

I have 15000 chickens and am registered. I think with the risk of Bio terrorism and possible disease outbreaks, it will be a good thing. I do think it will also used to ensure the IRS gets a chunk of every animal you have sold so they get their chunk. It has good and bad points to it, but there are far more issues going on in the ol USA that need our voices heard than this. There are far too many small farms compared to corperate farms so I do not think this will ever a tool to drive a small farmer out. Zoning changes will do that to us.

 

[Walt Davies]

I went to a thing last year on this and the site is all out of whack on what it is.
1. you only tag those animals that are removed from the farm at that time. Every state is setting up there own system but most are going with the electronic tag that will be placed in the ear either by you are buy a state official or buy the auction yard. As far as I know its only on cattle right now to stem the tide of mad cow disease.
It just goes to show you can't believe everything that you read on the Web.
If you want more info on this call your local Farm agent.
Walt

 

[rrlund]

I'm not even going to the site. Just from what I read below,it must be about animal ID. It's been mandatory here in Michigan for several years now in cattle. Electronic ID has been since March now. BIG DEAL. Bunch of black helicopter conspiracy nut jobs afraid of big brother. It's a $2.oo tag that has to be in them to leave the farm. Wooptie doo.You don't have to have a reader or computer. There is a lot of new technology coming out every day so you can use these tags for your own records if you want to,such as attaching a reader to your electronic scale. All that says to me is that it's multipurpose and convienient hi-tech. As for chickens,turkeys,etc,if it ever does become mandatory,it will be 1 ID for an entire flock. Stop believing this wacko crapola.

 

[Walt Davies]

I tried to be nicer about it but you nailed it Whacko Crappo.Do these guys wear aluminum foil under their hats.


Walt

 

[Anonymous-0]

Hey now, maybe that aluminum foil under my hat might just be helping. I haven't had one spaceship track me down since I started wearing it. But none of this stuff really matters. Once the ice caps melt we are all going to drown or burn up in the desert that is left. I believe it because Reverend Al said so in his movie. Oh and I am starting a fund to collect enough money so I can get back on my medication.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Pete,

Last time I checked I'm neither a wacko nor a nutcase. I seldom wear my aluminum foil hat. However, here's what I understand about the National Animal Identification System.

1. It is in three phases.
2. The states administer the program and have some leeway for its administration.
3. Most, if not all of the states are only in phase one of the program. That is the voluntary registration of your premises. Each premises receives a unique number that distinguishes it from all other premises in the world.
4. Phase 2, which has not been implemented in most states, requires that you install some type of identifying tag onto each of your farm animals (horses, cows, goats, sheep, pigs, etc.) As mentioned, you do not have to tag individual chickens, turkeys, guineas, etc.
5. Phase 3, which I don't think has been implemented in any states yet, requires that you enter any movement off your premises of any tagged animal. Industry will be setting up websites, in cooperation with the USDA, that you will log into and register the movement of your livestock. For example, if you sell an animal at an auction, the auction house will read the animal's tag, log into a participating website, and register that your animal has been on the auction house's premises on a certain day.

Ostensibly, the reason for all of this is so that if a diseased animal is detected in the food-chain, a trail can be reconstructed back to the source premises, and all other exposed animals can also be tracked back to their points of origin.

The devil is in the details. Some people say that if one of my cows breaks through a fence and gets into my neighbor's pasture, my neighbor will have to register that fact in some database. Some say that if I take my horse to a horse-show, it and all other horses at the show will have to be registered to show that they were together. Etc. Etc. Others say that is ridiculous and the program won't require things of that nature.

The fact is, no one knows how phases 2 and 3 are really going to be implemented, since it hasn't been cast in law as yet. Furthermore, no one knows what the government is going to do down the road after phases 2 and 3 are initially implemented.

The program has the potential to help protect our food-chain and to encourage foreign buyers to use food stuffs grown in the US. It also has the potential for egregious regulation by a government that has a less than stellar reputation concerning its incessant desire to intrude into people's lives.

I guess we'll see.

Tom in TN

 

[petetx]

i grew up in michigan big differnce handlin cattle there than texas oklahoma kansas and all the other western states it won't be no small task besides where will big brother stop

 

[Anonymous-0]

You can go to the USDA site and read all about this as NAIS.It does look pretty scary once you read all of it.One of the things I read was that the farmer has no say so about the tags.The slaughter plants,the trucking industry,the people who sell the tags,and others,have the say so but not the farmer.The farmers had their chance to say anything back in 2006,did you get your notice???All this is suppose to keep track of diseased animals.Yet you sell your animal at the auction barn now and they tag the animal and take your name.By the way,If you raise any type of meat animal,reptile,water raised produce,fowl, or what ever,you have to have a premise number.If you take your horse off your place to go riding you have to report it.There is much more to all this than getting a tag to sell a cow or pig.Go to the site and read it. One more thing,if you sell or but a piece of property that has a premise number ,that place is responcible for any action or disease for 20 years.

 

[rrlund]

Thing is,those tags don't have to be in when they are on the farm,only to unload at the stockyard. Some people want to use the Amish as their excose,but we made an amazing anthrapological discovery here. Amish and Menonites have oposable thumbs just like "normal" people and can squeeze an ear tagger too. It was in all the papers here. I'm amazed the wire services didn't pick it up and go national with it.