Pie Weight Update

[GlenIdaho]

Sorry, couldn't resist the rhyme. Anyway, the pie weights are mine. I'll be going into Oregon tomorrow to pick them up, Here's some pics and the tractor they came off of. The seller thinks they are the regular set, 35 pounders. Be cleaning and painting.

 

[souNdguy]

awesome find, good for you!.. can't wait till I get a set myself

soundguyu

 

[WayneIA]

By looking at the pictures they appear to be the heavy(40# pie segments) ag set. These would not fit PA wheels

 

[Dean]

I agree. They're heavy AG weights. They will interfere with the rails on PA rims unless the rims are adjusted mostly inward.

Dean

 

[GlenIdaho]

Hi Wayne;

If they are the heavier set, that would please me even more. I figured since the heavy set is not recommended for the 600 that it wouldn't be recommended for the 2000. I don't have PA wheels, so no worry there. I'll find out tomorrow.

 

[Vito]

Got a extra set kicking around that I really don't need.Light duty rocks.

Vito

 

[souNdguy]

where ya located?

soundguy

 

[WayneIA]

I know I will get rolled over in the coals for this , but I don't think there is a nickles worth of difference in the durablity of a 800 rear end over a 600..

 

[Dean]

I agree, in as designed and as sold configurations.

Dean

 

[GlenIdaho]

There must be something to it. My Owner's Manual specifically states, "*CAUTION: Under no circumstances should Heavy Duty Weights be used on Series 600 Tractors." I would suspect that the reason for not recommending the Heavy Duty Weights on the 600 is because the weight hangs off of the studs. The axle must not be of the same strength as the 800. But, I've never done a comparison of the two. The max load per tire is the same, but weight distribution is different.

 

[Vito]

In the great state of CT. I wonder if I could get my FIL to bring them down with him on his way when to his winter residence in Hutchins Island,Florida.He usually leaves late October or early November.If interested I could send you a picture and ask him about it.

My email is open.

Vito

 

[Tony Jacobs]

Hello Glen , Yes as Wayne said they are the Heavy Duty Set and that style is the most common of the 28 inch heavy dutys . Thanks Tony

 

[Tony Jacobs]

Hello WayneIa , The real problem is breaking the smaller diameter 600/601/2000 axle shafts . Thanks Tony

 

[Tony Jacobs]

Hello Glen , As for your question a couple of days ago about How much weight you should have on your tractor generally it is never enough . On my Ag tractors and Light Duty Industrials with 703 or 720 Loaders on them I run loaded 16.9x24 tires about 1200 lbs., Heavy Duty Pie Weights about 1200lbs., and a 1000 lb, Concrete block and I can still get the rear tires off the ground doing certain jobs but Ford did reccomend any more than that on them tractors . On my Heavy Duty Industrials if it does not have a Backhoe on it , it gets loaded 16.9x24 tires , heavy duty wheel weights and bigger block of concrete in a Ford weight box on the backhoe mounts totalling about 5500lbs. Thanks Tony

 

[souNdguy]

I'll have to put some thought into that.

soundguy

 

[WayneIA]

I noticed the outer axle bearings are the same on the 600 and 800 series. Just wandering, how many broken axles have you heard of on the smaller tractor? Don't mean to be argumentive but was just wandering.

 

[GlenIdaho]

Thanks for all the replies. I do appreciate them. Picked up the weights this a.m. and you all were correct they are the Heavy Duty. Each segment weighs 40 lbs with the exception of the valve stem sections, they were 35 lbs each. So all totalled about 1000 lbs plus a few. That will replace the calChlor I had in the tires. Will be sandblasting the mounting plates and weights so I can paint them. Thanks again for all the help/advice!

 

[Vito]

I believe he is leaving on October 22.That's what the wife said tonight.

Vito

 

[souNdguy]

If it's something I can swing I'll get back with ya before then.

soundguy

 

[Tony Jacobs]

Hello Wayne , Quite a few over the years actually , broken ring and pinions also , then usually they just get an 800 or 801 rear end and that cures the problem . I have a 58 861 in the shop right now with a broken right rear axle, differential, ring and pinion gears, and the shaft between the trans. and the rear end all at the same time so figure that one out . The real problem though is usually the animal behind the wheel they could break a Sherman tank without trying to hard . Thanks Tony

 

[Alan Kowal]

Hey Glen...
Just finished doing a set of pie weights for my 58 861D with the spin out wheels...so they are the lighter variety but I noticed 2 things that may help you anyway...1) I bought new 5/8 bolts that have the "washer" if you will as part of the bolt. They are of the higher grade and are finished in a flat black oil and something ??. The finish is great as it resists rubbing off when using a air gun to install, and protects them better against rust. They seem to be perfect for this application. If you are interested to know what they are let me know and I will go find the part # etc...2) When I originally pick mine up some of them had a rubber washer on the back of the bolt. So you push your bolt thru the pie weight and then install the rubber washer on the back of the bolt, then installed the pie weight on the disc. The rubber washer helped retain the bolt on the weight when you start fumbling around with your air gun etc...I don't think you are going to find the rubber washers so I made mine from a piece of correct size rubber hose and cut them to length
HTH...Alan

 

[GlenIdaho]

Hi Alan;

Thanks for the reply and tip. Most of the bolts have the rubbers washers, but some are broken. Good idea on the bolts and making washers out of hose. Haven't checked all of them to see what condition the bolts are in, but the ones I saw looked good. Thanks.