Planters

[MF165farmer]

I'm looking at buy a 4 row planter At the present time I have three in mind 385 Deutz Allis, 7000 John Deere, an a 540 Oliver/5400 White planter Parts aren't a problem The Agco dealer is about 40 minutes away an the Deere dealer is 30 minutes I'd be using it to plant corn an beans on a small farm I'd like to here from any one that has any experience running these planters Or any one with any input Thanks

 

[rrlund]

Is that Deutz Allis the same as an Allis 333 with the air units? I have a 333. Great planter,great stands with it. I had a 5400 White. I get a lot better germination with the Allis.

 

[formenwhogrow]

I'm an Oliver/white guy but when it comes to corn planters Id go deere. Is the 7000 30" or 38"? The duetz probably is a good choice too and it will more than likely be cheaper than the Deere.

 

[Leroy]

Lot of the Deere units around and after seeing them I would not own one. Believe there are a lot better makes around. It is just the name that sells them.

 

[Mike Aylward]

At the time the 7000 planters were in their heyday they had captured upwards of 75% of the market leaving the other companies to divide the rest. If they are as bad as you think there are a lot of people that got fooled. They remain one of the best planters out there. The newer models just improved on them. Mike

 

[GordoSD]

I have been operating a JD7000 for 15 years. I wouldn't have any other. Lots of new and used parts available. Shoup carries everything for them. Easy to find add on openers , trash whippers, and coulters if you want to plant no til. Heavy duty down springs and bullseye down tubes from Sloan.
I plant corn, beans and sorghum with mine. Going to try some sunflowers next spring.
Here's beans planted 30 AApril 2015 with it.

 

[paul]

JD 7000 with meters or plates?

About the best planter out there, 7000 finger meters. Lots of support, Shoup can get you parts as fast as JD these days, for less.

Paul

 

[DeltaRed]

I've been discussing a 'replacement' planter on here for a while.The recomendation has been 100% in favor of the JD 'Maxemerge'.I even get 'yelled' at when I consider something else.......

 

[rrlund]

The responses so far remind me of the Hefty Brothers on RFD a few years ago. LOL
Some outfit,I don't remember if it was a college,or FEMA or who it was,made up a tool bar with one row unit on it from each manufacturer. They planted a test plot with it to check germination. The winner was a CaseIH. They said they never got so many angry emails and phone calls. People asking,did you have this set this way,did you have that set like that?
They said they just planted with it the way it came to them and reported the results.
All I know is,with this Allis,I've cut my corn population all the way back down to 24,000 and have actually increased yields. I could cut back because nearly every seed that goes in the ground germinates. I did it two years ago because I was planting so late. Seems two things make for small diameter stalks that don't stand well. One is high population,the other is late planting. I figured planting in mid June at 28,000 was suicide,so I cut it back. Yields were great,so I left it that way last year. I filled my silo,then green chopped silage corn and fed it until mid November. I filled the cribs,left the wagons loaded and dumped some ear corn on the ground. I planted 24,000 again this year and so far,the corn looks amazing.

 

[formenwhogrow]

We had a 543 white and was glad to see it go. The ground had to be worked up like you were going to plant alfalfa or it wouldn't plant right. Row units were light and would bounce too easily and lots of seeds weren't covered. You also had to go slow. Dang slow or it would not plant evenly. I suppose if a farm was totally flat and had no clay, and if a guy had nothing better to do but run the planter at 3 mph, it would have been a nice planter. Oh and the fertilizer boxes were too small.

 

[formenwhogrow]

Yeah, it's a lot more than the name that continues to keep old 7000s and 7200s valuable. They're well designed, well built, and very simple machines. Easily customizable, easy to set up for conventional or no till and easy to get parts.

 

[Brown Swiss]

Ya, they are the air units, when I was looking for a 6 row planter I wanted it to be a 385 Deutz after having such success with the 333 Allis, but they were far and few!

 

[NY 986]

I don't know about 100 percent. Both times I have chimed in I have mentioned the White 5100 planter as well as the 7000/7100 planters. The thing I don't believe in and I went through this with a MF combine was paying JD money for something that is not a JD product. I wanted to improve what I had with the MF but I would have been stuck with the combine because though somebody was willing to sell a flex head or RWA at JD prices I know could never have gotten close to that kind of money back if the combine had a blown an engine or had other serious problems arise. I don't see other makes of planters at the price they should be at to take on the comparative disadvantages. A decade or more ago sure you could find good discounts on a Cyclo or D-A planter but not anymore. The dealers and jockeys that sell them know that somebody will be along sooner than later because the dealer/ jockey know somebody will pay more than they should because "that is the brand we have always used" or Grandpa got cheated by the green, red, blue or whatever dealer so I won't buy that color even though the offender has been dead and buried for decades. Heck, I would bring the CaseIH 1200 series into the discussion but nobody is talking about spending the kind of money it takes to buy one so why bother.

 

[JMS/.MN]

I"ve had 3 JD 7000s since 1976...39 years, and the only other one I"d consider would be a late model White- it gets very even spacing. I use the bean meters with the 7000 and it is precise. Why do the others copy JD? Cuz it works! Paint color doesn"t put corn in the ground. Has to be a reason for the popularity of the 7000.

 

[paul]

Likely this one? Just about 3 years ago.

White is a good planter, little harder to find parts for.

The modern Case planters are really good, probably better than the modern JD planters. Both need a tractor well suited with hydraulics and electronics to make them work.

In the 1970s and 80s JD through Kinze came up with about the best thing going for that era, and they sold a gazillions of them. Now Shoup supplies all the parts a phone call away. Nothing from that era comes close to seed placement, seed depth, spacing. They are simple mechanical planters you and I can service if we need to. Presision Planting offers many upgrades for it if you want to bump up the seed spacing and monitoring of the planter, their corn meters are really nice. You can add Kinze bean meters, or JD, to increase the presision of beans and other such crops. There is a till active work and inventory on new products to enhance these old machines.

So for the common smaller size farm, that 7000 series is about as good a planter you will get for about as cheap as you can find.

If you don't like green, you can find a blue Kinze planter, were they model 2600, that is the same thing as far as the row units and really close on the frame. I think briefly the row units were leased out to someone else, was it Allis?

None of the planters he mentions is bad. The JD comes out just a tiny tad ahead on parts availability, updating, resale value, and so on.

Paul

 

[notjustair]

I'm on my second year with a 12 row JD 1760 no till. Honestly, I don't know that it is that much different from a 7000 conservation. It has vacuum plate pickup on it, but other than that, those row units are pretty identical.

I'm 100% positive that I could take that thing out and plant a strip down the blacktop road and I would get a good stand. It is an awesome planter with good spacing and emergence. I can pull into any conditions and be proud of the job it does. The monitor stinks - I finally quit using it next year and have never looked back. I have enough monitors to look at with the liquid tanks and the GPS. I think only the guys that buy a planter new get the joy of having a monitor that functions like it should. The rest of us get something else in the cab that beeps a code incessantly for no reason.

I looked at 7000 conservation planters before buying this one. They aren't very popular in my area and there were lots of guys that had just slapped the Yetter stuff on a regular 7000 and were billing it as no till. I was afraid the frame wasn't stout enough for some of my conditions. That's the only reason I didn't go with a 7000. I couldn't find one I liked and was getting nervous.

Every time I talk planters I think of my youth. We were an IH only farm. Nothing else was allowed. Except for the planter and drill, that is. They were both Deere. We weren't allowed to leave them sitting out over night because the neighbors might see them. And you KNOW how neighbors talk.

 

[rrlund]

That might be the one.
I don't know where the Allis air units originated. They look an awful lot like the Whites. The big difference is,instead of having a fan and motor on each row,the Allis uses one fan for two rows and uses a flex hose from a manifold on the fan housing. The only problem with them is,the seed discs from the White don't work on the Allis,so unless they come with the Allis,you might have a problem finding any more.

 

[formenwhogrow]

New idea. The planters were black frames some new idea red here and there. Those planters had kinze units on them.

 

[Brown Swiss]

???? Who copied JD, Kinze that it?

 

[MF165farmer]

Sorry for the late response but I've been working in tobacco an hay Looks like a JD7000 might be the way to go Thanks for all the help

 

[MF165farmer]

Nice crop of beans you got there

 

[Tim(nj)]

The D-A 385 had what they called a quadra-disc meter so it isn't the same as a 333. A-C designed it but didn't get it into production before Deutz took over. Deutz had Vermeer build them. AGCO decided to stay with the White design and sold the 385 to Landoll, who failed to do much with it. Talking to somebody who still has a D-A 385, some parts are NLA from both AGCO and Landoll.