proper hog engagement....

[MnNC]

thanks to many of you here, the old N2 has been running and behaving very well...
hog question: when engaging the bush hog, do you engage the transmission at the same time or the hog first and then the trans ?
or maybe it doesn't make a flip
thanks to all who reply.......

 

[Dean]

Unless you have stopped in heavy cover with the cutter down it makes little difference.

If the cutter has been lowered into heavy grass you should, of course, start the PTO prior to tractor motion.

Dean

 

[Ronnie G]

Shredder first, brings it up to speed

 

[R Geiger]

(quoted from post at 10:15:25 09/23/11) thanks to many of you here, the old N2 has been running and behaving very well...
hog question: when engaging the bush hog, do you engage the transmission at the same time or the hog first and then the trans ?
or maybe it doesn't make a flip
thanks to all who reply.......

PTO first, but only if you have an ORC installed.

 

[MnNC]

(quoted from post at 02:27:08 09/23/11)

(quoted from post at 10:15:25 09/23/11) thanks to many of you here, the old N2 has been running and behaving very well...
hog question: when engaging the bush hog, do you engage the transmission at the same time or the hog first and then the trans ?
or maybe it doesn't make a flip
thanks to all who reply.......

PTO first, but only if you have an ORC installed.

thanks guys...please tell me about the ORC / what it does and why.

 

[Dell (WA)]

MnNC........since there is ONLY-ONE clutch to the tranny and the tranny drives the PTO which drives the hydraulic pump ...and... drives the external PTO at the same time; guess what??? When the PTO starts turning, the brushhogg is gonna start turning at the same time.

Yeah iff'n yer sphincterly challenged, you can putt'chur tranny in neutral and bring yer PTO driven brushhogg up to speed. Then you haffta shift yer main tranny into whatever gear you use fer mowing. By that time yer brushhogg has probably slowed down ennyways.

Iff'n you have engine load problems, raise yer brushhogg outta the grass and letter start turning with tranny in neutral; then shift yer tranny into gear and start foward and lower yer brushhogg to mowing height.

Seems like alotta bother to me. Me? I just slip my clutch till everything is moving including the tires. I use 3/4-throttle. Simple, eh? ....... the mowing Dell

 

[Ultradog MN]

Or buy a tractor with live or independent PTO.

 

[R Geiger]

The ORC is a one way clutch that attaches to the pto shaft. It allows the PTO or mower to keep turning freely when you push in the clutch. Without one when you push in the clutch the enertia in the mower will try and push the tractor forward which can be a dangerous condtion.

 

[Ncorrigible]

Oh boy - that is a question! The Over-Ride Coupler allows the tractor to power the mower, but prevents the mower from powering the tractor.
It boils down to a one way drive that firmly powers the mower when the PTO is spinning faster than the mower, but just ratchets if the mower is spinning the PTO shaft faster than the tractors PTO.
If you are driving your tractor/mower straight at a cliff without an ORC and push the clutch to stop, the inertia in the mower will push the tractor over the cliff. The power to the transmission is just coming from the back of the tractor, not the front.
With an ORC the tractor will stop right away while the mower gradually coasts to a stop.
In your question, an ORC will allow you to get the mower up to speed with the transmission in neutral, push in the clutch, put the transmission in gear and start mowing with no real shock to the drive train.
Without the ORC you will be starting the tractor in motion and the mower in motion when you let out the clutch. You only have 23 horsepower to deal with that joint task. If the grass is too tall or the terrain too tough, the tractor will stall.
An ORC allows you to make starting the mower and moving the tractor two distinct operations.
I hope that helps... I know exactly what I mean.. I hope I typed it in a way that conveys that.

 

[MnNC]

many thanks all....great info as usual.
now...is the ORC an easy installation ? easy for an ol' 'shade tree mechanic'
and what about the cost ?

one more thing... need some new hog chains. like the ones that connect hog to tractor. saw some pics here awhile back. maybe posted by JMOR,
cant remember.
thanks and good day....no hogging today, rain in eastern NC

 

[oldtanker]

Slide the ORC on the pto shaft, Get the holes lined up and drive in a roll pin, reinstall the grease fitting and ......thats all there is to it.

Rick

 

[Bob In Missouri]

This site sells the chains I think you are talking about. Holds your hog at a constant height. If I remember right, they are under misc. parts. Think it says mower stabilizer chain kit. Look them over, if you are handy, you can make them yourself. Hope this helps. Bob

 

[R Geiger]

When buying an ORC you have to be aware of what size of PTO shaft you have. Orgininal size was 1 1/8", but replacement shafts are 1 3/8" If your mower shaft goes on correctly chances are you have a 1 3/8" PTO. you can get either. My 8n is 1 1/8" PTO and mower was built for 1 3/8". They sell one that adapts for the difference. Just be aware before you buy.

 

[jackinok]

i thought this was a fiance joke!

 

[DollarBill]

please tell me about the ORC / what it does and why

Others have posted good info on the ORC one more way to look at it as a ratcheting device that prevents inertia of the spinning blade from pushing the tractor forward when you come to a stop.

A couple of other things to verify:
- The ORC will add 4-5 inches to your drive line so you may have to shorten the bush hog's PTO shaft accordingly.
- After adding the ORC, make sure the PTO shaft doesn't hit the deck of the bush hog when raised to full height.