Proving Desulating Has Accured?

[guido]

Hello,

Many references to battery chargers with disulfation mode-settings. I know the claim! I am very much
inclined that is hard to prove. Can it be proved, and how?

Guido.

 

[pete 23]

That is interesting. In the Army we were in same building as civilian workers on truck maintenance for a while in Fort Devens, Mass. One of the civilian workers rebuilt batteries. He looked like more than a little bit of sulfuric acid had found his clothing. Anyway, I am betting the only way to prove sulfation reversal would be to remove and examine a cells condition until you find one sulfated. Then install it and proceed with the process of restoring it to useful condition. I'm going to bet against it. Partially sulfated maybe, but not through depth of plate material.

 

[jeffcat]

Go take a cruise on U-Tube. There are a whole bunch of little how toos. One guy shows how sulfated, the lead plates are dull grey and the current is pretty low. After almost three weeks on a pulsating supply the plates are now nice and shinny and the battery is back to full current output. Go check them out. There is a neat looking one called an Xtreme charger. Might buy one. U-tube is your friend just as long as you check out several vidoes to get multiple opinions. I have found all kinds of information on there! Guido if you have a desulfate type charger hook up your scope and see how it works. Kinda like exercising your muscles. They really work out the chemistry inside of the battery. Several of the videos,show a scope with the pulse pattern on the display. I have several lawn tractor batterys that are near and older than ten years and they are still going strong. Just hook a Schumacher desulfater up now and then. Right now in the kitchen corner I am bringing an old battery back to life. After one week the amp output has increased quite a bit. Put an amp load meter on it. Get back to us after you take a look at some of those videos.

 

[guido]

Hello jeffcat,

I will check utube, but most of the info makes me laugh. But they make money when you click on it. Most people do not know, but a totally dead lead acid battery can be brought back to life. Notice I said brought back to live, NOT restored to 100% capacity. You have proven just that! Once a very low charge current is applied to A lead acid battery it will usually start to take a charge, provided all the cells are making a full good circuit. Some will take as much as 24 hours before they start to take a charge. As all the cells beging to take a charge, as you just found out, the charge current will increase. You won't find this Info on youtube. Ofcourse it does not meen the battery will pass a load test. An opache lead plate is not an indication of low capacity, just acid etched but able conduct current flow. I know you are convinced about tbe youtube videos. I am not so sure though,

Guido.

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Guido, I bought a batteryminder 12246. It charges, equalizes, desulfates and maintains. The proof it works can be seen by using a conductivity tester which measures the CCA. I have a midtrontic PTB 300. It's my go to meter when I think I have a battery issue.

If you desulfate batteries every month of two you will see they definitely last longer. I'm a believer in a good charger and conductivity tester. Keep in mind at some point a battery will die. The conductivity tester will tell you when you have a dead cell or give you a heads up your battery is dying. Some only replace a battery when it fails to start a car. I don't like getting stranded, especially when I'm out of town.
geo

 

[sotxbill]

Two easy ways...

run a load tester before and after.. the load amps will increase..

second way... my riding lawnmower batteries now last two to three years longer.... My 13 tractor batteries last two to three years longer... My expense spreadsheet shows battery purchases for the above have dropped..

Still have problems with cracked connectors occasionally or shorted cells due to plate collapse.. And on the long term storage "generators and motorhomes", I can actually run the electrolyte low if I dont check them once a year or so. But they may not get run for several years before I remember to check them. Letting the electrolyte get below the cell tops is not good on them either. But down here in the severe heat, electrolyte loss is also a problem, even for the mantainance free models.

I have 13 tractors, 3 welders, two generators, 12 old honda motorcycles, a kawasaki mule, and 2 kubota atvs, with 3 riding lawnmowers, a motorhome, 4 vehicles, among the 3 farms/ranches.

I have read the military storage depots use pulse technology on stored vehicles but since I have not personally seen it, I hate to quote or spread unverified info.. There's already enough of that on the net already.

I also know that up north the normal person gets better life out the batteries than we do down here.

 

[guido]

Hello Geo-TH,In

You conductivity-capacity meter is the electronic version of a load tester, just part of the story. It is the most common test performed and usually is enough to weed out the week ones. There is no single tester that can measure all the requirements or properties of a lead acid battery,

Guido.

 

[sotxbill]

I understand that once the sulfate is harden, there's not much you can do. Back when batteries had a asphalt tops , lots of comanies would cut the box off, clean the cells up, and " rebuild the batteries and resale them. "Reliable" was the last company around here that did that.

 

[guido]

Hello sotxbill,

Load testing would only proove that keeping the battery voltage up prolongs its life, as you proved
already. Heat is the key, climate will effect battery life, as you know first hand. A cool battery will
take more charge then a hot one, It will also take longer to charge, achieving a higher % of charge. I tend
to believe you more then some joker on the net. Yea! They say if its on the net must be true!

Guido.

 

[RMinVa]

Got a battery my son pulled out of his SUV. Told him to bring it to me and I gave him a core to turn in. Ran the smart charger on it to remove sulfate and it took 24 hours. Put that battery in my 97 F150 3 years ago and it's still going strong. It was 4 years old when he took it out. Have one charger that shows % as it charges and that battery was losing 40% over night till I ran the smart charger on it. I try and get each battery once a year especially if it's one that sets alot.

 

[Ted in NE-OH]

What is the battery charger really doing during the process of desulfating? What is the process.?

 

[Indiana George]

pete 23, not to change the subject but I took my basic training in FT Devens back in 1965.I was with the 196th Light Infantry Brigade

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Guido,
You asked for proof and I gave it to you that desulfating works. My batteries last longer and a battery conductivity tester will prove it.

After I purchased conductivity tester, I gave my BIL my old resister load tester. How do you use to load test batteries?

My best 18 volt load tester is to see how many inches of oak sawdust I can make. And after I drain my 18v batteries, I let them sit, measure voltage and surprised to see they are still 18v, so measuring voltage doesn't mean squat.

On the other hand, measure cranking volts of a 12v battery is helpful, but very difficult to do with a voltmeter. Really need an a sampling oscilloscope that can store display if you want to know the true CV.

Sulfate build up on battery plates is similar to people with artery disease. Plaque build in arteries around heart resulting in a heart attack. Do meds prevent you from dying form Plaque build up or does it extend your life? The people that die may think meds don't work others may think meds do very little. It's your choice to use meds or use a charger that desulfates.

geo

 

[guido]

Hello Geo-TH,In,


Sulfation is a result of a partial charge. Keeping the battery at 100% saturation charge is the key to longevity. That is why wheel chair batteries only last two years, while golf cart batteries last four. The golf cart battery has more time to get to full charge or100% saturation. Charging the battery (FULLY) before use wth any gizmo will make it last longer, any heavier then normal amp draw will create heat. Guess what happens inSide the battery....SLOW DEATH! in the form of plate flaking of the cells. Amp hour capacity is permanently reduced period.
How you verify battery diminished capacity? You handy dandy meter.

GUIDO.

 

[Geo-TH,In]

Mine is shocking the plates with 30 volt spikes, 3000 Hz. Very short duration spikes, Battery isn't over charged, current is very small, no idea how small. It never boils the battery or harms It
The first time you desulfate a battery it could take days. Each time after will take less time. After a while it's done in less than an hour.

So what ever the charger needs to see to shut down is improving.

 

[pete 23]

I was at Devons for a short period after coming back from Newfoundland in fall of '57 to spring of '58. Was in 11th ordnance co. and lived off base in Shirley, Mass. They did a real poor job of plowing snow in those days and I had to put chains on my car many times. Get up early and shovel the drive way etc. In Ayer they actually just drove over the snow if it wasn't too deep and boy what a mess.

 

[Indiana George]

Pete I took my basic there and advance infantry training in camp drum New York .then we left for vietnam ,the whole brigade went there as a whole unit, ,took a boat there,it took 28 days to get to vietnam.Left Boston harbor through panama canal and across the pacific ocean.Yea I remember the winter I was there, i was stuck in lowell for 3 days ,we had about 22 inches off snow.