Rant!!!!!

[Animal]

Since the discussion on this board seems awful slow here lately, let me try to liven things up a bit. I heard today that they are really truely thinking that we will see four dollar fuel next year. Do you think that those ignorant bunch of A$$holes that we call our elected officials care? I am so sick and tired of trying to get a weather report from the local news and all you can hear is how our economy is in the dumpster. How long will it take to soak in that when people are spending all their money on fuel, medicine and groceries that they are flat broke at the end of the month! I am not going to point the finger at one person or one party, because I think they are all ignorant and greedy, and for the life of me I do not know which one out weighs the other...I must have had my head in the sand, but how long has crude oil been on the stock market? Our govt. wants to regulate everything else, why not crude? Maybe because they make a little money on the deal? I am tired of it and do not know anything that I could do that matters except voting again every one of these people that are in office now and that is exactly what I am going to do, nnalert, democrate, hog frog or dog, they are all the same!

 

[ShadetreeRet]

Y'know, I didn't realize until a couple years ago that crude was traded on the open market! Now we know who is REALLY making the money!
Something else that aggravates me, although it is almost amusing too, is these surveys that have to tell us every week how much the price of gas and fuel has changed. Well Duh! If you don't own a vehicle you are not likely to be that interested. If you DO own vehicles, you ALREADY know how much prices have changed! The things people get paid for!

 

[Erik Ks farmer]

Amen brother. I will not be voting for an encumbent period.

 

[old]

That is why I keep saying line them up in front of a firing squad and the ones that live go back in the ones that do not well you dig a hole and bury them. That way they will get the message and start doing things different. Of course another thing would be no more life time pension and term limits on all gov elected offices and you do 2 terms then have to stay out of office for 2 terms before you can move on to another office. Also if life long pensions are good for the top guy then the guy who gets shot at should also have the same thing as in the guy in the military who did his 4 years dodging bullets

 

[LAA]

Crude oil is a commodity, the same as any crop you grow, do you want the government to regulate how much you can get for your crop? Fuel may be $4.00 next year but at some point in the future it will be $1.50 again as well, push your elected officials to get behind drilling our own oil and gas in the USA and everyone will be back at work and cheap fuel to boot.

 

[Animal]

They do that to constantly remind you how screwed you are. That goes along the same lines as these big shot news people drawing unbelievable sallaries telling me how broke I am, this just makes my blood boil! It is a big shame that they are not trying to live on my income, then they would know what gasoline at least smells like when they have to put it in their limo instead of the chaufer.....

 

[Animal]

You don't think our crops are regulated? When was the last time you put a fuel surcharge on a load of beans going to town?

 

[old]

Ah but at one time the gov did regulate fuel prices and when they did I was getting 5 gal of gas for a buck or more then that at times. Yes the gov has it hands in to many things but then at people in office have no clue as to what life it really like they where all born with a silver spoon in there mouths and do not care about the little guy

 

[old]

Ya what about the ball players who get a mil or more a year to just go out and kick a pig skin are and get beat up for the sake of playing a kids game

 

[sixtyninegmc]

Fuel has been over $4 bucks a gallon up here for quite a while, and we drill it, pump it, refine it, and ship it south where you folks get it for less than us :evil: Then again, as my dad likes to point out when somebody roars out of the stoplight in a jacked-up 4x4, fuel must not be too expensive when most folks don`t try to conserve at all.

 

[LAA]

When did the government regulate fuel prices?

 

[LAA]

You don't put a fuel surcharge on a load of beans or a trailer full of cattle for precisely the same reason there is not a fuel surcharge on a tanker full of oil, because they are all commodities and as such the prices are set by the market, yes, speculators, without speculators there would be no continuity in cash markets, someone, or some company, has to be willing to risk their capital in the belief that they will make a profit in order for competitive markets to exist. Fuel surcharges are levied by trucking companies, airlines and utility companies because they can get away with it, if you want the service you will pay, in addition, these are all heavily governement regulated industries.

 

[Animal]

Come on Old where are your priorities? After all if you have a gifted child that wants to go to Medical school or perhaps go into science or medicine you are in for six to eight years of he11 trying to get them through school. But on the other hand if you have spawned an idiot that can put a round ball through a hoop, or throw a pig skin a hundred yards or just be fat and can get in the way they can get a free education into any field they choose. Priorities man get them in line, case and point Penn. State.....

 

[Animal]

Sir, your points are valid and well taken, but I can not help but think that if we rolled fuel back to two dollars or under that this economy would heal itself..The problem then would probably be inflation.

 

[Chester5731]

The guy that grew the food so the other guy could eat it and live to get shot at should get a pension too.

 

[hayray]

Comon' dude, we have been through this before, its' a commodity, just like the crops you sell. I think this is one area that the goverment by mistake may have done a good job in by not getting fuel alot higher as it is in other countries. Ironically this is one are in our country capitalism is working.

 

[Eldo case]

What about all the idiots that go to the games and pay for the tickets and support the advertisers. They are the ones that cause the player to get the money. If no one went to the games and bought the endorsed products the money would dry up. Just look at the fuel that is burnt by the spectators. Things have not gotten bad enough. When people stop doing the nonessential things then things will turn around. Oh that would be a depression and that my friend will spell trouble for the people in the country that have food or cattle. Things are different than the last depression. No regard for anyone! Crime would be something that no one would like to think about. But that is the fact!

 

[old]

Well lets see the 30s,40s, the 50s and even up to the mid 70s when they stopped and the price of gas went up to around a buck a gal. As soon as the gov deregulated fuel prices etc the price of gas went from 20 cent a gal to around 75 cent a gal in less then 6 months

 

[Animal]

Well that was a job well done! Their is some life on this board after all....vote none of the above...

 

[larry@stinescorner]

your right!

 

[PeteTheRookie]

"I am tired of it and do not know anything that I could do that matters except voting against every one of these people that are in office now and that is exactly what I am going to do, nnalert, nnalert, hog frog or dog, they are all the same!"

We all have the POWER to impose terms limits, send the entire political body HOME!

Pete

 

[hayray]

I never vote for these stupid incumbents.

 

[LAA]

old,

You are absolutely wrong, crude oil, gasoline and diesel were not regulated by the government, fuel was rationed during world ar II but the reason fuel was cheap for 40 years is because oil was around $2.50 per barrel from the end of world war II until the 1973 arab oil embargo because American companies efficiently ran the oil fields world wide and there was relative calm in the main oil producing nations. You may be remembering the disastourous regulation of natural gas that rot brain Roosevelt put in place in 1938, that regulation was repealed in 1978 and we are still suffering from the consequences in that infrastructure that should have been in place years ago is still lacking or non-existent..

 

[LAA]

I agree two dollar gasoline would do wonders for the economy but there is no such thing as roll the price back. The only way to lower the price is to increase the supply, in our case it would have to mean increasing domestic supply, very easily done considering the USA has the largest proven reserves in the world, yes, the USA, not Saudi Arabia, not Russia, not west Africa, Canada is probably a fairly close second.

 

[JMS/.MN]

Govt regulated fuel prices at 20 cents a gallon? BS! nuff said- oil is traded on the commodity markets, just like corn, soybeans, other grains, LP gas, gold, silver, milk, many others.

 

[hayray]

Ok, lets' pull our head out of our A -- s and look at some facts. We like to pull statements out of the un-reliable media - such as we have more oil researves then the rest of the world - not true, not even close. Yes, we still have alot of researves but they are very expensive to get to, getting cheap foreign oil works in our benefits. When oil goes high then domestic drilling goes up. We rank 14th in the world for researves. Saudia Arabia and Venezuela still dwarf every other countries researves.
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[Red Roundhead]

In my opinion, the problem is the centrally controlled dollar; it is not tied to real-world value. Actually, I think the WHOLE problem the whole world has is non-local people making "fit-all" policies. If money was locally, or state, printed, and backed by something of realworld value (crops, metals, etc.) you would see large price adjustments. It would be more troublesome to be exchanging currency all the time,(state to sate) but perhaps it would be best. The dollar is what we call "fiat money"; it has an agreed value, that is not physically backed.

In old Europe, the way that many of the kings of the 17th - 19th century consolidated power was by declaring municipal coinage illegal. THey forced the cities and towns that once had a metals/goods backed form of currency that was locally minted to use the "kingdoms" standard currency. And we see how that worked out. We fled Europe to a new world,and now we are stuck with the old world problems again; concentrated wealth and power to a few individuals.

If you have to go to work to pay your bills, you are poor. We are the day laborering peasants of old feudal Europe; however, we have with much nicer huts.

 

[hayray]

Sorry but I have to say that your analysis of how currency is valued is a bunch of cr#p. Currency is traded on the world markets against the values of other currency. If our currency was based on values of commodities it would change radically every time the wind blows, real high one day and worth nothing the next.

 

[RedRoundhead]

I have to say that your view is your view. Thanks for peeing all over mine.

And I think you need to read more old, less edited history books.

It is rich vs. poor. Always has been, always will be. You can argue justification for your imaginary "free markets" or what ever you want. They are not free, they are heavily manipulated.

But hey, believe whatever you were told.

Big business runs the government. It has since the American Civil War. Just look it up; you have a computer.

We have alot of good things here, in this country. But they are not the best ever. We still have work to do here.

But, I guess that the opinions I have were formed by the information that I have gathered, and the experiences that I have had. I may be totally wrong; The theory is only as good as the information you are basing the theory upon.

But I really don't think I'm wrong.

Cheers, pal.

 

[Larry NEIL]

Well, those 9:00 or 10:00 PM PANIC PEDDLERS make their bucks by reporting what the folks who own the stations want them to!
That's why I still like to "read" the paper. If it's biased, ya' can re-read it two or three times and sniff out the rats....with the boob tube reporters, they throw their version in your face then they are gone in an instant!

 

[Lumpie]

Diesel fuel is over $4/gal here, went up 30 cents the last few days. What most of the public doesn't realize is that the country, heck, the world, runs on diesel fuel. I wouldn't care if gas got up to $4-5 bucks a gallon, as long as diesel gets back down where it belongs around $2. Cut the price of fuel in half and the economic troubles are over.

 

[RedRoundhead]

(quoted from post at 12:58:03 11/17/11) Diesel fuel is over $4/gal here, went up 30 cents the last few days. What most of the public doesn't realize is that the country, heck, the world, runs on diesel fuel. I wouldn't care if gas got up to $4-5 bucks a gallon, as long as diesel gets back down where it belongs around $2. Cut the price of fuel in half and the economic troubles are over.

Right? That is the thing; the price of diesel, and the price of grain pretty much affects the price of every other thing out there. From the price of land to the price of Mountain Dew; high input cost = high retail cost.

 

[hayray]

I don't know enough about it but I am pretty sure your opinion is not a theorey. Anyways, good debate and it sounds like you have been around alot of years and know something. Decisions and voting should be made on sound research about facts, often it is easy to reduce things to understandable reasons.

 

[Red Roundhead]

Yes, everyone definitely has opinions! And the best thing about this country is that we are free to express them.

 

[rrlund]

Only thing is,the same EXPERTS were talking $5 fuel by the Fourth of July this spring.
If you want to get political,how about that SUPER COMMITTEE and the so called CUTS that they're trying to come up with and all the hype it's getting. Thing is,they aren't talking about cutting anything below what these programs get now. The government uses something called "baseline budgeting". Meaning that there are built in increases every year. Usually something in the range of 5-7% annually. All they're trying to decide on is how much to lower that automatic increase. But OH,won't they be heroes though if they succeed in "cutting spending"?

 

[LAA]

Sheesh -- you really hate the free market!! athletic scholarships are a prime example of the free market at work, the best athelete gets the free ride, nothing wrong with that, those kids don't do it sitting on their duffs, you can take that to the bank. Truly gifted students also do not have to worry about tuition, the problem is there is not very many of them, most people beleive thier children are gifted and they are to them but, the vast majority of students are average if not slackers. Show me one ''A'' student in the sciences or mathematics or medical field who cannot get a scholarship and I will pay for their schooling myself.

 

[Animal]

Just curious, how many children have you put through school?

 

[LAA]

Four -- all grown, aged from 32 to 23, only the oldest attended college, 1997 to 2001, cost about $9000.00 per year, books, tuition, room and board. That was resident tuition at an in state university.

 

[Animal]

I had three and my youngest went through college. She stayed on campus, had a scholarship for baseball, and it cost me around thirteen to fourteen thousand a year. I worked two jobs to put her through because I did not want her to have loans to pay back. I would do it again as she has done real well for herself,and by the way she worked at autozone the whole time she was at school for spending money..