rust welded lug nuts

[alchemist1959]

I'm sure the archives have this but I don't know how to search them. I bought new front tires for the Oliver 1450. The wheels are being difficult. The breaker bar is broken. The impact wrench is in the wrong league. The torches have brought metal to bright red. 2 of the 6 lugs are just missing. One was a cobbled bolt and nut that were loose. Two of the lugs came out with heat and a breaker bar. It's the last one. I would cut it off except for the tapered socket. The wheel is the only thing left to cut and it prolly can't be replaced and if it could the lug is still frozen in the flange. I suspect the previous owner just gave up after breaking stuff and that's why the tires are 52 years old.

I have a can of Freeze Them Nuts Off to try when the rain lets up. Has anyone had any luck with this? My next thought is to heat it with a rosebud then spray the freeze and hope for a catastrophic thermal event... Lug explodes?

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[yakob]

(quoted from post at 14:42:12 04/02/19) I'm sure the archives have this but I don't know how to search them. I bought new front tires for the Oliver 1450. The wheels are being difficult. The breaker bar is broken. The impact wrench is in the wrong league. The torches have brought metal to bright red. 2 of the 6 lugs are just missing. One was a cobbled bolt and nut that were loose. Two of the lugs came out with heat and a breaker bar. It's the last one. I would cut it off except for the tapered socket. The wheel is the only thing left to cut and it prolly can't be replaced and if it could the lug is still frozen in the flange. I suspect the previous owner just gave up after breaking stuff and that's why the tires are 52 years old.

I have a can of Freeze Them Nuts Off to try when the rain lets up. Has anyone had any luck with this? My next thought is to heat it with a rosebud then spray the freeze and hope for a catastrophic thermal event... Lug explodes?

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Have you been heating the hub from the other side at all? I would do that and use a good air hammer on the head of the bolt.

 

[alchemist1959]

Yes, the bolt head and the flange side. Then both to red. Then just the bolt from both sides to bright red. That brown stuff was the axle grease that blew out. It was foamy enough to fill a coffee can and looks like someone crapped on the tire. Somethings gotta give!

 

[SVcummins]

Get it red hot or hotter and then spray that freeze off
on it and it might shock it loose I?ve done that with
ice before after welding a nut to a broken bolt In a
housing

 

[rustyfarmall]

I've experienced a few lug bolts and nuts where heating them red hot just once was not enough. 2 or 3 times usually worked, but a few had to just had to be cut off with the torch.

 

[Bob]

Stop screwing around and get a decent breaker bar and a cheater pipe and break 'em loose, using a good impact would be even better.

Those bolts cant be over 1/2" or maybe 9/16", and you didn't have much of a breaker bar if it broke before the bolts came free or twisted off!

You've probably already destroyed the hub seal with heat, any more isn't going to do the bearings any good, and if you get more heat transferred to the rim, you risk setting off a nasty process called "pyrolysis".

If unfamiliar what that is, I suggest watching the video linked below.
BOOM

 

[yakob]

(quoted from post at 11:12:19 04/03/19) Stop screwing around and get a decent breaker bar and a cheater pipe and break 'em loose, using a good impact would be even better.

Those bolts cant be over 1/2" or maybe 9/16", and you didn't have much of a breaker bar if it broke before the bolts came free or twisted off!

You've probably already destroyed the hub seal with heat, any more isn't going to do the bearings any good, and if you get more heat transferred to the rim, you risk setting off a nasty process called "pyrolysis".

If unfamiliar what that is, I suggest watching the video linked below.
BOOM

I kind of ran with the assumption that the tire had the air let out of it already...and that the OP knew that seals/bearings/grease would need to be redone.

 

[alchemist1959]

I'll take the valve stem out of the other one. It had to come off with a cutting torch and the metal around the hole does not look happy. No doubt some repairing to be done but one wheel is done!

 

[Frank A]

Heat the nut then cool down with water 2 or three times. The last time cool part way and squirt whatever oil you want on it. I don't think you need something as large as a rosebud tip you want to heat the nut more than the bolt.

 

[Frank A]

I couldn't tell from the picture but if its bolts I would just heat and cool the bolt as much as possible so it is expanding and contracting at a different rate.

 

[hd6gtom]

Rims ok, got a pal that's done any tire
replacement work. Tires are pretty easy to
replace with the rims left on the tractor.

 

[JMS./MN]

Heat that stubborn bolt and as it is cooling, apply some candle wax to the threads. Might have do do it twice. It has never failed me. Wax flows between the threads and loosens the bolt.

 

[Bob]

(quoted from post at 13:51:14 04/08/19) Heat that stubborn bolt and as it is cooling, apply some candle wax to the threads. Might have do do it twice. It has never failed me. Wax flows between the threads and loosens the bolt.

Or, alternately, he could just beg borrow, buy or steal a Milwaukee M18 "Fuel" 1/2" impact wrench and remove them nearly instantly.

 

[lastcowboy32]

You're being way to particular about this.

The previous owner would have just put a can of fix-a-flat in there...

(PS maybe read this after you've gotten it off, you might not be in the mood for humor at the moment.)

Good luck.

Also, for old Oliver tractors, I would bet (and I don't gamble) that McFadden's in Sharon Springs, NY would have a wheel or rim for you in their scrapyard.