RWA Combine?

Hi All,

Been researching the purchase of a new-to-me combine.

Looking strongly at the late K2, L/M 2/3 series etc.

In y'all opiniom, how helpful/necessary is RWA?

Here in Michigan, we can get a rainy spring and fall with fields mucky enough to get a 2500 diesel 4x4 stuck with ease, but lighter vehicles often don't even need 4WD.

Reason I mention is would like to go light and avoid heavier, bulkier equipment - but dunno if that matters with combines.

Any input?
 
What field conditions would you consider it
necessary?

Reason I ask is, I am in the market for a
new combine, but if not needed, makes my
older combime search much easier.

But, would hate to buy without then get my
butt stuck left and right without it.

Also, seems folks have differing opinions
on them - which I am sure has as much to do
with field conditions and how drive and
anything.

But, some same the older Gleaners (M2/3,
L2/3) are so light you don't need RWA as
they float across field without.

Others say the RWA only makes them get more
stuck.

Then there is the, run fatter tires or
duals crowd.

I dunno 😔
 
(reply to post at 00:47:42 07/26/20)

If its to wet its to wet
But on those greasy mornings its nice
To just hit the switch and you can steer
Without brakes
It stays on the row better when engaged
Makes your machine worth more
 
I used to combine 4 30 inch rows of corn with a standard 2WD F2. It had 23" tires and would go anywhere any combine would, as it was running on the two outer rows.
For any machine bigger than that, here in central NY, I wouldn't want to be without rear wheel assist. All M/L 2/3's sold here had rear wheel assist.
 
If you have any hills, rwa is very nice to have. Night and day difference.

But, depends on what deal you can find. We all “used to” make do with far less than we have today. Remember - cabs used to be an option as well, lol.

Best of luck!
 
It’s not a factor here, and I’m on clay ground that is very wet holds its water. The clay squishes, it won’t carry, so rear wheel assist only makes deeper tracks before you get stuck, it doesn’t really help.

Big tires on my F3 carried me in ground I got off the combine and my foot sunk in, I was surprised.

The M3 and L3 carry through about as much as I can care to work in to get the crop off.

So to be fair I have zero experience with 4wd combines, but I think I can get done about as much as I can with 2wd.

The big neighbor has a tractor, grain cart, and combine all on tracks and can drive through anything at any time, but maybe his fields look like it from the long term damage that does.....

Myself, I wouldn’t bother with the extra expense and parts to break down.

Last year was as wet a fall as we get, I finished beans and corn on frozen ground.

It gets done.

Paul
 
RWA is nice but does add more to the cost. If you are no tilling and do not want any Mark's left in the field, it's the only way to go. On your smaller acerages, you may well be able to wait and pick your day and be fine with 2wd.

Ben
 
Back when I was using the F2 combine, we got 5 inch rain just after I started combining, some fields opened.

I kinda sat on my rear didn’t do much. Day 5 or 6 and my wife kinda hinted, are you going to see how it goes soon?

Sure let’s go look. Took my little 4wd tractor and drove the fields I’d opened up. We ran into one wet low spot after another, spinning mud with all 4s. Last 2 spots I had to back out couldn’t get through.

Wife never suggested I get going again since.....

2 days later I could combine, with the 2wd F2.

Few years later I found a deal on an M3 combine, it was harvest time, we got big rain, I bought the combine private sale drove it home and started combining, literally hooked up the header chains crossed fingers and started, worked well but after a while the chopper was plugging with bean straw, I stopped and got off, my foot sank in the mud, here I was almost driving through water, the ground was like jello pudding, the wider tires of the M3 were carrying me so much better I didn’t realize.... the beans were thrashing well but the bottom stems were so wet it was gumming up the chopper.

Last fall it rained bad at harvest, my L3 pulled through nearly everything without much of a track. The beans it was so muddy the header wouldn’t float on the mud, so I had to combine a couple hours in the forenoon when it was froze. Then it snowed 3 inches, the header slid on the snow good, I could combine all afternoon again but the beans were tough, limited my time of day to combine that way.

Corn is easier, can drive on some stocks to float and don’t need the header so close so I’m sure I was in wetter ground.

Wasn’t a spot I couldn’t drive, I did have to be careful where I parked the wagons, tail wagging the dog, didn’t want the wagons pushing the tractor down the hills.... it never did dry up, we finished fall tillage in the mud, had to drive when it was lightly froze, once it thawed at 3:00pm was done, the tractor could pull but the coulter chisel would stop turning in the slime.

Neighbor harvested for me the year before, 1660 combine little bigger, heavier, but he had duals. He said my fields were good to drive in, no problems. It was also very wet fall that year, but it dried up some as we went over the days.

I get along in miserable conditions the last 4 years with the 2wds.

We just got 5.3 inches of rain yesterday, and had 10+ inches of rain in a three week period before that. My oats and barley are ripe, I get to go test the mud agsin in a couple days.....


Paul
 
In central Minnesota it is not unheard of to delay combining some wet corn fields until after the ground freezes deep enough to support a combine, around mid-November or later.
 
It's wise that you're looking at all options, but this is one that I don't think you'd need. Sure, there are years when we could all use RWA, but it's just a luxury, not a necessity. If you start buying everything you want instead of just buying what you need, you're farming career is going to be a short one.
 
I just replaced my f2 4x4 with a 7720 deere as I have out grow the capacity of the F2 working full-time. It is a great little machine goes through about anything even have a set of Steel tracks for it that I have only used once when I bought it
 
Hi rrlund,

I replied to this but looks like it didn't post?

I called the gentleman, he said he picked it up for the engine, and that it needs some work to get going but doesn't know what that work would entail.

I really appreciate seeing the combine and sending my the note.

Challenge is I know nothing of them and nobody round me that I know is into farming, so I had to pass until I can find something that is a little more field ready and/or the owner is knowledgeable about the unit and can assist with what needs fixing, even if I need to figure out how to fix.
 
Just exactly WHAT size of machine are you looking for?? What crops? How many acres?? What's considered a "late model" machine to you ??
 
We run an F2 with 28L-26 that will walk on water with the corn head on and the tank filled, no 4x4 :). Will be coming up for sale soon :(.
 
Hi XT180,

Sorry for the delayed reply.

Gleaner M/L/F series w/ 100+ capacity.

Corn, outs, wheat etc.

Mid-80's to early 90's, possibly early 80's.

Starting out with only 10+ acres per crop, 40 acres total, roughly - possibly increasing to 200-400+ acres in next 5 years (big goal 😀).
 
Elkhart In. area, 4/30 black C/H, 15' 300 series table with aftermarket E/H header height. Gear drive though, but wide spaced cylinder bars that should have been FACTORY installed in '79 :(
 
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