I have about 100 dead ash trees, so I'm looking for a chainsaw. I'm 75, so weight & easy to start are considerations. I have decided I want one with an 18" bar. I have chosen similar saws to consider from Stihl, Jonsereds, Husky and Echo. All have similar features and cost. Any preferences from the wise sages here? Thanks.
steve19438
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I have an 18in Sears I bought about 10 years ago. works fine for me.
Adirondack case guy
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Buy a Stihl MS 251 C with easy start. Lots of power for an 18" bar, well balanced and great isolation system from engine vibration. You will love the easy start system, just make slow easy pulls. It will start, on first or second pull.
Loren
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I bought an Echo CS490 Saturday. Wanted a Stihl but the local Stihl dealer doesn't have weekend hours and I am not taking off work early just to buy a chainsaw. Went to the Husky dealer and they also sold Echo. Looked at both side by side and liked the Echo better. It just seemed better balanced in my hands. I haven't even used it yet past a few seconds of demo at the dealer.
Russ from MN
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I have been using Jonsered for 49 years, will never switch, the newer ones have a decompresion, makes them a lot easier to pull. Also make sure what you buy has the primer bulb on the carburetor, reduces the number of pulls to start. All of the name brands are probably fine, but it's like trucks, some drive Fords, some drive Chevy's, and some drive Dodge's.
Stephen Newell
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I think McCulloch makes the easiest to use chain saws. The worst is Poulan. I currently have a Stihl. It works alright but sometimes you have to crank it a hundred times before it will start.
I would NOT buy a saw from a big box. I bought my Dolmar 510 from a local dealer that has a 3 man repair facility, and had good results from him before. Any of those saws would work good for you, but who you buy it from is the most important. Saws are high maintenance items, you need a good dealer. My next door neighbor bought a Swedish saw from a big box and had problems, you wouldn't believe the run around he got. They had to send it out to some back alley repair shop and they never did fix it. After a couple of years of staring at it on a shelf in his pole barn, he finally got mad and tore into it one day. He found the spark plug boot barely attached to the coil wire, sometimes it would make connection and fire, sometimes not. Ran great after he pit a new coil wire and plug boot on it.
Brown Swiss
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I run Echo cause that is what the local dealer sells and they are a good saw at an attractive price. All the ones you mentioned will work for you look at them, start them at the dealer and see what one you like the best.
I assume you mean Husqvarna and not Husky. I have two Huskys here, both made in Canada. Husqvarna comes from the same company as Jonsereds and Poulan Pro.
The problem with rating saws is - once you have one long enough to rate it - it is no longer made.
I have a Dolmar (Makita) 18" DCS510 and love it. Great saw but this model was replaced with a new one, so who knows? Dolmar is the oldest chainsaw company in the world. Mine was made in West Germany. I don't know where the latest ones come from.
I also have an EFCO and an Echo in the same size-range. I think EFCO makes the best saws of all of them - but not much presence in the USA (except when John Deere sold them).
I have a kind of cheaply built Husqvarna 455 Rancher I got at a yard sale for $100 a few years ago. This one is still made I guess and it has been a great running and light saw. Very easy starting too.
The problem with rating saws is - once you have one long enough to rate it - it is no longer made.
I have a Dolmar (Makita) 18" DCS510 and love it. Great saw but this model was replaced with a new one, so who knows? Dolmar is the oldest chainsaw company in the world. Mine was made in West Germany. I don't know where the latest ones come from.
I also have an EFCO and an Echo in the same size-range. I think EFCO makes the best saws of all of them - but not much presence in the USA (except when John Deere sold them).
I have a kind of cheaply built Husqvarna 455 Rancher I got at a yard sale for $100 a few years ago. This one is still made I guess and it has been a great running and light saw. Very easy starting too.
Found this on U'tube. Have no idea what he is trying to prove but it is only a few minutes long.
saw start test.
saw start test.
Phil-mar Farms
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guido
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Hello Don S,
What kind of saw you have now? Worn out, or you just want to buy a new one?
I vote for an Echo Cs-400,
Guido.
What kind of saw you have now? Worn out, or you just want to buy a new one?
I vote for an Echo Cs-400,
Guido.
Jonsered and Husquvarna are owned and built by the same company (Electrolux). Echo makes a good saw but in our area a poor net work of dealers. You can get models of Stihl that will start as easy any saw out there just get one with a decompression valve. If I was going to take down a hundred trees I would look at pro saws.
Hobo,NC
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I have one also have worked on it since day one. I will say it does not like to run long but neither do I...
My uncle has a poulan just like it his but his runs well always has. I hope I have mine straighten out if not I will grab another Sears saw if it don't want to work will grab old dependable a husqvarna I brought new around 1980...
oliverplow
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I would agree with what others have replied in that any of these brands would be fine. It is all about the dealer you have to work with. I don't mean to question what you want to do as you are older and I am sure, wiser than I, but be careful. Most professionals in my area have been hurt, or worse in the woods. One guy, who has scares on his face, told me that every time he got hurt, it was cutting a dead tree. Two guys I know, were badly hurt cutting dead trees when they split and hit them in the head faster then you can blink an eye. Just be careful.
The Famous Grouse
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Absolutely recommend given your needs and, to be honest, your age, that you look at the new 60 Volt DeWalt FlexVolt brushless cordless saw.
These saws are absolute game-changers. Forget what you think a cordless chainsaw might be like. It isn't like that at all. This thing absolutely rips. It's like a gas saw with almost no noise and no gas. No gas, no smell, no starting issues, no storage issue.
The saw and 2 batteries would provide hours of cutting. I've used this saw at a demo day and I was astonished at the power and ease of use. The saw and 1 battery can be had for about $350. I'm 46 and based on running 1 battery, I doubt I'm in good enough shape to cut for more than 2 batteries worth in a day. That's how long these things last. I used the 60 volt trimmer at demo days in heavy ditch grass for 1 hour without running it dead.
I've run a lot of different saws. Currently, I have a Husqvarna 136, 445, and a Stihl 021. The 445 is a tremendous saw for the weight, which IMO is the critical issue if you were to go with a gas saw. The weight just wears a guy out. Power is meaningless if the operator is too tired to use it.
I'd strongly recommend you look at saws that have a powerhead that weighs 11 pounds or less. Lighter is better.
I don't agree that you need a pro grade saw. Despite lots of moaning about how today's saws aren't built like saws of yesteryear, today's consumer and farm/ranch saws are plenty good. 100 trees is not that much for any of the quality brands.
Grouse
These saws are absolute game-changers. Forget what you think a cordless chainsaw might be like. It isn't like that at all. This thing absolutely rips. It's like a gas saw with almost no noise and no gas. No gas, no smell, no starting issues, no storage issue.
The saw and 2 batteries would provide hours of cutting. I've used this saw at a demo day and I was astonished at the power and ease of use. The saw and 1 battery can be had for about $350. I'm 46 and based on running 1 battery, I doubt I'm in good enough shape to cut for more than 2 batteries worth in a day. That's how long these things last. I used the 60 volt trimmer at demo days in heavy ditch grass for 1 hour without running it dead.
I've run a lot of different saws. Currently, I have a Husqvarna 136, 445, and a Stihl 021. The 445 is a tremendous saw for the weight, which IMO is the critical issue if you were to go with a gas saw. The weight just wears a guy out. Power is meaningless if the operator is too tired to use it.
I'd strongly recommend you look at saws that have a powerhead that weighs 11 pounds or less. Lighter is better.
I don't agree that you need a pro grade saw. Despite lots of moaning about how today's saws aren't built like saws of yesteryear, today's consumer and farm/ranch saws are plenty good. 100 trees is not that much for any of the quality brands.
Grouse
My Husquarna 445 X-Torq with 18" bar and .325" chain is the easiest starting saw I own. Having a compression releases is a plus. It will also idle forever without stalling which is a big plus if the saw had to be put down and picked up a lot and you don't want to have to keep restarting it. Husqvarna makes saws in two quality levels. Plastic crankcase and metal crankcase. Most are plastic but seem to hold up fine if not run hard 8 hours a day.
I can only name two saws right now would NOT take a chance on. One is a Stihl with the computer-controlled carb. Two is a Poulan Pro. Poulan Pro comes from the same company as Jonsered and Husqvarna but no where near the quality.
Chain-stores don't scare me at all. In 40 years I have never, ever, needed a dealer for my chainsaw.
I can only name two saws right now would NOT take a chance on. One is a Stihl with the computer-controlled carb. Two is a Poulan Pro. Poulan Pro comes from the same company as Jonsered and Husqvarna but no where near the quality.
Chain-stores don't scare me at all. In 40 years I have never, ever, needed a dealer for my chainsaw.
teddy52food
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I vote Echo. They have a 5 year warrantee. Mine fell off the trailer & broke the brake handle. They replaced it. Also I wore out the roller nose on the bar & they replaced the bar too. Must be the easiest starting saw I ever had. Unless it is really cold , it starts on one pull after sitting for 10 to 15 minutes after using it.
flembo
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I have all 4 the Echo being the oldest and have never had a problem with any of them. I bought the echo in 1975 new and have had it tuned up twice over the yrs. They are all good saws I think choosing a size that matches what you are doing is most important. Keep them clean and use quality oils and keep the chain sharp and you should be good.
steve19438
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I have three ECHO gasoline powered tools. all three are a bite to start when it is cold. sometimes I bring them in the house overnight before using them.
FWIW, I saw a blurb the other day that Jonsered is on it's way out as a separate brand. Husqvarna is a separate company from Electrolux now and makes Husky, Jonsered, Poulan, Weedeater and some other lines of outdoor power products.
Myself, if I was you I'd strongly look at Echo. Good Japanese designs and quality. If there is a good, competent dealer in your area I'd lean that direction.
You might want to run the MS170 to a good shop and have them go through it. It shouldn't take much to get it going and it should start within 3 or 4 pulls cold.
A number of Sears chainsaws and Husqvarna chainsaws are more or less rebadged Poulans! If it's got a primer bulb, it's a Poulan design. I was a Husky dealer back when if it said Husqvarna on it, it was pure Husqvarna. Sadly, that is not the case anymore. Same for Jonsered.
You mean Poulan Pro, not Poulan. Different companies and very different saws. The Poulan Pro saws that chain-stores sell can
last just fine. Just don't have much cutting speed, can be hard to start, stall a lot, etc. I have several over 20 years old.
I have a Poulan Pro "Wild Thing" that has been a pain to run since I got it new 15 years ago - but it still runs and cut a lot
of wood. Also - they are NOT all plastic. Have small, metal, clam-shell crankcases.
last just fine. Just don't have much cutting speed, can be hard to start, stall a lot, etc. I have several over 20 years old.
I have a Poulan Pro "Wild Thing" that has been a pain to run since I got it new 15 years ago - but it still runs and cut a lot
of wood. Also - they are NOT all plastic. Have small, metal, clam-shell crankcases.
Nonsense. I have an Echo with a primer-bulb from Home Depot and it is 100% Echo, made by Kioritz. I also have an EFCO with a
primer-bulb from John Deere and it is 100% pro-saw made in Italy. Husqvarna and Poulan Pro come from the same parent company
but are totally different saws. I have never - ever -see a Husqvarna that was a rebadged Poulan Pro. If you claim there is
such a thing - post a photo. Poulan made good saws and was from Louisiana. Quit around 1984 when the name got sold. Not
Sweden like Poulan Pro.
I have yet to own a Poulan Pro that made high chain speed, started easily, or could idle hot without stalling. That said, I
have never had one wear out either. I have a mess of them around and a few are over 20 years old.
primer-bulb from John Deere and it is 100% pro-saw made in Italy. Husqvarna and Poulan Pro come from the same parent company
but are totally different saws. I have never - ever -see a Husqvarna that was a rebadged Poulan Pro. If you claim there is
such a thing - post a photo. Poulan made good saws and was from Louisiana. Quit around 1984 when the name got sold. Not
Sweden like Poulan Pro.
I have yet to own a Poulan Pro that made high chain speed, started easily, or could idle hot without stalling. That said, I
have never had one wear out either. I have a mess of them around and a few are over 20 years old.
Russ from MN
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bought a Lil-Jon from a Jonsered dealer in 1972 that was made by Poulan, the partnership is nothing
new! I think I put a carburetor kit in it about 20 years ago and it starts and runs when I need it.
new! I think I put a carburetor kit in it about 20 years ago and it starts and runs when I need it.
A few comments about those that claim the Poulans or Poulan Pros only last a few hours.
I have two Sears Best" 3.3 cubic inch saws with 20" bars that I got in 1987. Made by Poulan . 55 cc and when sold by Poulan was called the model 3300. Been using them for 30 years and still run fine. Made in USA some I am not sure if made by the original Poulan company or the later Swedish Poulan Pro company. I liked them so much (for the cheap price) - when Sears came out with a sale maybe 10 years ago - I bought two more and WHAT junk! 55 cc made in Malaysia by some no-name company and sold by MTD, Sears, and Cub-Cadet. Two years later almost no parts available. Never again would get a saw with a Sears name on it.
I have two Sears Best" 3.3 cubic inch saws with 20" bars that I got in 1987. Made by Poulan . 55 cc and when sold by Poulan was called the model 3300. Been using them for 30 years and still run fine. Made in USA some I am not sure if made by the original Poulan company or the later Swedish Poulan Pro company. I liked them so much (for the cheap price) - when Sears came out with a sale maybe 10 years ago - I bought two more and WHAT junk! 55 cc made in Malaysia by some no-name company and sold by MTD, Sears, and Cub-Cadet. Two years later almost no parts available. Never again would get a saw with a Sears name on it.
Destroked 450
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We used Husqvarna saws in the log woods for years, tried other brands but always went back to Husqvarna, Echo's started easier but didn't perform as well, Stihl's performed good but required more maintenance, Poulan's would overheat and quit when worked hard, no Jonsered dealers in our area.
Husqvarna saws today are not as good as they used to be IMO and we no longer have a local dealer to that them to for repairs, my Husqvarna 268 was getting a little heavy for trim work so I purchased a new EFCO from a local dealer a few years ago, at the time they where the only saw still made with a adjustable carburetor, I've been very impressed with it, has good performance, starts and runs without a lot of hassle, I used it to trim up a tree last week, saw hadn't been started in nearly a year, took 5-6 pulls to fire up first time, it ran fine and started on the first pull every time after.
Biggest issue with most all saws today is the sealed non adjustable carburetors and todays gas with ethanol.
A few years ago after replacing the carburetor on a nearly new Echo weed eater I started using premixed gas in a can, it's pricey ($4-5 pre quart can) but we haven't had any issues with any of our small engine's since.
Saws are like tractors, sooner or later it'll need worked on, there forth it's only as good as your local service dealer, box stores don't service saws, they just sell them.
I have two 56 cc EFCO saws and in my opinion - best pro saws I have ever owned and used. Fully adjustable carbs.
I bought a new Poulan Pro 42 cc from Tractor Supply last year as a sort of "throw-away" saw to leave at a remote camp. It too
has an adjustable carb but I had to shell out $20 to buy a specialty carb-adjust tool-kit. Has some real odd-ball adjuster
screws.
My other two newest saws are Makita Dolmar 52 cc and 64 cc. Both have fully adjustable carbs.
Stihl now has computer-controlled carbs on some of the saws they sell. No way would I ever want one.
I bought a new Poulan Pro 42 cc from Tractor Supply last year as a sort of "throw-away" saw to leave at a remote camp. It too
has an adjustable carb but I had to shell out $20 to buy a specialty carb-adjust tool-kit. Has some real odd-ball adjuster
screws.
My other two newest saws are Makita Dolmar 52 cc and 64 cc. Both have fully adjustable carbs.
Stihl now has computer-controlled carbs on some of the saws they sell. No way would I ever want one.
My go to saw is a Stihl 260 pro. At the time it had a good weight to power ratio. I have a 360 also but my 260 does most of what I need.
I have heard complaints about the Stihl electronic carburetors. If you lean Stihl at all you should check on that issue. Here is a link to a video. I believe this is a good idea but maybe the manufacturing processes are not consistent. That is often the issue when reviews vary.
https://www.stihlusa.com/products/technology/stihl-m-tronic/
Just my two cents. There are obviously many choices. Oh, and look at the battery operated saws before you buy as was said below.
Paul
I have heard complaints about the Stihl electronic carburetors. If you lean Stihl at all you should check on that issue. Here is a link to a video. I believe this is a good idea but maybe the manufacturing processes are not consistent. That is often the issue when reviews vary.
https://www.stihlusa.com/products/technology/stihl-m-tronic/
Just my two cents. There are obviously many choices. Oh, and look at the battery operated saws before you buy as was said below.
Paul
This is one of the saws that Dad bought new in 1957. This a Super 55 McCulloch was a 7HP gear driven, 27 lbs. with a 27" bar with what they
called back then a chipper chain. You hooked the spikes into log and open it up and couldn't stop the chain. That saw would cut with he best
of them today. About 20 years ago he sold it and if I knew he was going to sell it I would have bought it off him.
called back then a chipper chain. You hooked the spikes into log and open it up and couldn't stop the chain. That saw would cut with he best
of them today. About 20 years ago he sold it and if I knew he was going to sell it I would have bought it off him.
parisspringstom
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The size of the trees has something to do with saw choice. On the big trees I use my sthil 290 farm boss to knock them down and saw up the main trunk and then brab my sthil 170 which is much lighter to saw up the smaller limbs. My back can tell it if I use the 290 to trim the limbs with.
my dad is 77 has a stihl 260 loves it. I have a M390 and its a beast and you know it once your done..
What ever you get ask about chisel chain for it. Makes a great deal of difference in cutting a tree. I didnt know they made such a chain till went in to dealer to get chain asked me if I wanted the regular or chisel.. Now I wont even use the regular chain anymore..
What ever you get ask about chisel chain for it. Makes a great deal of difference in cutting a tree. I didnt know they made such a chain till went in to dealer to get chain asked me if I wanted the regular or chisel.. Now I wont even use the regular chain anymore..
The type of chain to use depends on what you are cutting. Chisel chain cuts faster, but gets dull faster. If you are cutting wood that is slightly dirty, or abrasive itself (box elder, cedar, ties) round chisel will stay sharp longer.
If you want to cut really fast, learn to square file chisel chain. It will cut really fast, but has zero tolerance for dirt.
If you want to cut really fast, learn to square file chisel chain. It will cut really fast, but has zero tolerance for dirt.
bishopNlouisiana
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I picked up a 16" ECHO about 20 years ago, It was so lightweight I found myself cutting limbs with just one hand. It cut with a heated passion for ten years, then the coil failed. I ordered another coil from the factory in Plano Texas for $75.
The new coil lasted two summers only. I sent it back to ECHO with a complaint to the head of quality control, but they never responded. I didn't expect a refund but I did expect and answer. I went looking for another chainsaw online and found a used ECHO with a broken handle for $25. I myself repaired it myself and that ECHO lasted about 8 years when it's coil died.
Since then I bought a 16" craftsman. It's not a one hander chainsaw, but it starts easy and will cut all day long.
ECHO is excellent, but the parts are high and the coils don't last.
The new coil lasted two summers only. I sent it back to ECHO with a complaint to the head of quality control, but they never responded. I didn't expect a refund but I did expect and answer. I went looking for another chainsaw online and found a used ECHO with a broken handle for $25. I myself repaired it myself and that ECHO lasted about 8 years when it's coil died.
Since then I bought a 16" craftsman. It's not a one hander chainsaw, but it starts easy and will cut all day long.
ECHO is excellent, but the parts are high and the coils don't last.
Dieselbreath
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I am 74 and had problems starting my Stihl 036 and 026 (sold them yesterday) Last year I bought a Stihl MS 251 with the easy-to-start feature. It has a 18" bar on it and came with two chains. It's the biggest saw that Stihl makes that has the easy start feature. I believe that there is a sale on them right now at your Stihl dealer. Plus you get a free cap!
John in Ct
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I am very interested in your opinion. I also need a very light saw to use on cleaning up fence rows where I have been using loppers and a buck saw. I have a big Husky for big trees , but using that 17 lb saw on fence row small brush will kill me. I am debating cordless verse a Stihl MS150 CE.
2002sliverado
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I hope my comments are not taken the wrong way. My dad, who is now 75, has two saws. He has a Jonsred's with a 14 or 16 inch bar. My apologies that I cannot remember which, and I should, because it is the identical saw to mine. It is a nice, lightweight saw, which has also been quite dependable. He also has a Stihl Farm Boss, with a slightly longer bar. The chain is more aggressive on that saw, and it will cut through anything in half the time the other saw will. His one complaint is that Stihl has gotten to be a bit too much for him to handle for any duration anymore. He is not the least bit frail, but I know he has lost some strength in his arms in these past few years. I have to do more "man handling" of things he has been accustomed to doing beforehand.
I have an Echo 3000 top handle saw with 12" bar that I bought 17 years ago used. I use for cleaning up the tops of trees once they are on the ground. The little top handle saw is much easier to use when cleaning up tops. I cut every thing up to 16" in diameter with it. So far it has had 2 bars, 2 spark plugs,primer bulb plus the normal replacement of fuel and air filters along with chains. Mine gets cleaned( blow down with compressed air) and checked out every time it comes back from use.
From the Echo web page- ECHO Incorporated was founded in Northbrook, IL, in 1972 as Kioritz Corporation of America. It was officially established under its present name in 1978. The company originally was an importer of high-performance 2-cycle engines and hand-held products manufactured by [b:3eadc2fff8]Kioritz Corporation of Japan.[/b:3eadc2fff8]
I own some Echo products, they all say MADE IN JAPAN on the tag. Great designs IMO.
You are right. I'd forgotten about the little Echos with the primer bulbs. I stand corrected. I sold Efco back when it was Olympik. I never saw one that I'd rate a a "pro" saw in the same sense that Stihl or Husky did.
Look at some of the big box Huskys or Jreds and tell me they aren't what amounts to a rebadged Poulan PRO (for your benefit since that seems to be a requirement for you). Those price leader type consumer saws are PP designs with a little Husky cosmetic/mechanical improvement. Doesn't mean they are junk, just means they aren't what people think of when you say Husqvarna.
I have the same basic saw. Yes, they CAN last for a good long time-with care. But that doesn't mean they were designed to run for years like a pro quality saw. Just a Craftsmans lawn mowers can be made to last for years, so can their saws. But that doesn't mean they were DESIGNED to last for years. Planned obsolescence is a fact in our consumer society. It just is. Computers, chain saws, washers and dryers. I've got 40 year old saws that run like a scalded cat and I've had brand new saws in my shop that didn't even a have an adequate air cleaner! If it's predominantly low grade plastic (yes, with insert metal bearings!) built to sell at $150.00 or less, it's not a saw designed to last for years, simple as that.
I have to differ on the nomenclature. Chisel can either be sharpened with a round or square file (or ground). Square filed chisel is very aggressive, round filed somewhat less so, but a lot easier to learn to sharpen. Semi-chisel lacks the square corner of a chisel chain profile, and the older style "chipper" chain was even more rounded than semi-chisel. "Full" in relation to chain usually refers to the cutter layout, as in "full" versus "skip" types. The "full chisel" nomenclature was common years back and was used to differentiate between chisel and semi-chisel, or at least it was in the Central Adirondacks.
http://www.madsens1.com/bnc_teeth_types.htm
BarnyardEngineering
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So "professional grade" saws don't need care?
Don't get me started about so-called "planned obsolescence" either... That has been around since there have been mass produced consumer products.
I am liking my new Jonsered 2166 so far. It is probably a little more than a guy in his mid-70's would really want to be slinging around on a regular basis. It's a 70cc saw with a 24" bar and weighs 19lbs dry.
Don't get me started about so-called "planned obsolescence" either... That has been around since there have been mass produced consumer products.
I am liking my new Jonsered 2166 so far. It is probably a little more than a guy in his mid-70's would really want to be slinging around on a regular basis. It's a 70cc saw with a 24" bar and weighs 19lbs dry.
I was around the central Adirondacks for 40 years (Indian Lake, Speculator, etc.). When anybody in my group discussed chains
and chipper profile, it was chipper, full-chisel, or semi-chisel. I don't think there is any official rulebook anywhere about
using those titles. We certainly knew what we were talking about among each other.
and chipper profile, it was chipper, full-chisel, or semi-chisel. I don't think there is any official rulebook anywhere about
using those titles. We certainly knew what we were talking about among each other.
"So "professional grade" saws don't need care?" I never, ever said that. They all need care obviously. It's just that some are built with longevity in mind more so than being able to sell lots of them at the lowest possible cost to the company. Different quality levels exist, simple as that.
I know, you had a place in Indian Lake IIRC, one of the old Moulton or Lanfear farms. I grew up in North Creek and lived and worked on saws in Tupper Lake and Newcomb back when logging was still viable in the Adks. There may not be an official "rule book" on the local vernacular on cutter style, but chisel (or full chisel if you prefer) isn't necessarily square ground/filed. That was my point.
I remember seeing very few Echos in my shop back in the day. If memory serves, I did work on a 602. Had to find an address for the company, write out a letter asking for a parts source, wait for the return letter, mail another off to the parts guy, wait for a response and finally place a phone call and then another letter with a check for the parts! Meanwhile the customer is breathing down my neck asking when I'm going to fix his saw! Times certainly have changed.
I have a top handle Echo saw and is a good saw but the only thing is we have only one dealer and he handles very few parts. He can get most
parts over night but you pay extra for it. With the Stihl saws I have 6 dealers with in a 30 mile radius and they stock just about every
thing you need for normal maintenance.
parts over night but you pay extra for it. With the Stihl saws I have 6 dealers with in a 30 mile radius and they stock just about every
thing you need for normal maintenance.
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