Seeds-How long viable?

How long do seeds stay viable?

I have some rye seed that has been in my shed for 2 years, with some hot and humid weather and some freezing temps.

What would be your estimate of the germination rate of these?

Do you think half would still grow, after 2 years?

Or none? Is there a chance most would be bad?

How about red clover? I have a bag of that too. Will that still germinate next year, after sitting around for 3 years?

Thank you!
 

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If it is winter rye (not annual rye) it is probably fine. Germination for most good seed will drop off after 4-5 years. A better test is to plant 100 seeds in a big flower pot. Keep it warm and moist and you will know what percentage will emerge. Germination is not the same as emergence.
 
How long do seeds stay viable?

I have some rye seed that has been in my shed for 2 years, with some hot and humid weather and some freezing temps.

What would be your estimate of the germination rate of these?

Do you think half would still grow, after 2 years?

Or none? Is there a chance most would be bad?

How about red clover? I have a bag of that too. Will that still germinate next year, after sitting around for 3 years?

Thank you!
Before one of us tells the rest about hearing that stored wheat seeds from the Egyptian pyramids were found to be viable after thousands of years entombed might want to read this article below telling us "what they heard" ....

 
How long do seeds stay viable?

I have some rye seed that has been in my shed for 2 years, with some hot and humid weather and some freezing temps.

What would be your estimate of the germination rate of these?

Do you think half would still grow, after 2 years?

Or none? Is there a chance most would be bad?

How about red clover? I have a bag of that too. Will that still germinate next year, after sitting around for 3 years?

Thank you!
I planted some 3 year old corn seed this spring for a food plot and it grew just fine for that.
 
If kept dry in a dark place,Seed will last for years. They found seed in King Tut's tomb that is still viable.
 
Before one of us tells the rest about hearing that stored wheat seeds from the Egyptian pyramids were found to be viable after thousands of years entombed might want to read this article below telling us "what they heard" ....

I almost went there. I'm glad you produced this article for us. steve
 
Tomato and velvet leaf seeds stay viable for decades or centuries.

Soybean and oat seed drops off fast in 24 months to where some will grow, but you might have poor results from what you were hoping for.

Depends on the seed.

I’d bet the rye will be ok and the clover you can use up at a double rate and also get good results, but I would do the wet paper towel test mentioned.
 
How long do seeds stay viable?

I have some rye seed that has been in my shed for 2 years, with some hot and humid weather and some freezing temps.

What would be your estimate of the germination rate of these?

Do you think half would still grow, after 2 years?

Or none? Is there a chance most would be bad?

How about red clover? I have a bag of that too. Will that still germinate next year, after sitting around for 3 years?

Thank you!
You can do a germination test. I have planted 3 year old wheat seed from having extra seed left over. Grew good. Also have potatoes here that have been replanted every year for the last 100 years. From grandparents that immigrated to Canada from the Ukraine. Have never saw them kind anyplace yet. Don’t really even know what they are called.
 
In 2023, I planted some Bahia seed that had been stored in a closed barrel in barn for 3-4 years and it came up well.
 
This is something where conditions will affect your outcome greatly.

"Some hot and humid weather and some below freezing temps..."

Who knows what that means?

Sprouting jars are cheap. You can buy a kit for ten or twenty bucks. We use them to grow sprouts for the kitchen. And, any questionable seed for gardening/farming gets tested in a sprouting jar in the spring.

I was pleasantly surprised last spring, when it was too late to order dent corn for our garden; my wife shelled the remaining dent corn that we had hanging, on the cob,in the house. That corn had been hanging for 2-1/2 years at that point. We got about 1/2 of a five gallon pail of kernels; and when I tested them in the sprout jars, they passed. That much seed would have cost well over 100 bucks. And, we just harvested a nice batch of dent corn for homemade technicolor johnnycake last month.

So far, I've tested a few types of seeds that were leftover from previous years, such as: beets, peas, dent corn, lettuce, etc. and all of them have passed with up to three years' of storage.

Even so, I wouldn't plant old seed without testing first.

That's my reasonable answer.


My old school farm boy answer is: One particularly wet summer my brother baled the "big-meadow" at the home farm in late June; but couldn't get to second cut until September. In the meantime, July and August were wet. By the time he got to the meadow, it was a carpet of red clover. My father (born in 1928), remarked at the time that "the old timers" (born who knows how long ago) told him that clover seed was "hard" and could "lay dormant in the ground for years" before a long, wet summer would get it to germinate. So, I guess, according to the old timers, clover seed is pretty hardy. Myself, in my personal experience, I think that clover seed is hardy; and actually benefits from a little scarification/inoculation... I seed clover by outfeeding the herd with bales of clover hay during late fall, early winter, on ground that I want seeded to clover. The cows digest the seeds, scarify them, inoculate them and deposit them on the ground... they also trample some into the ground. If I had clover seed... I would probably just broadcast it in the areas where we keep the cows in the fall, let them trample it in during the fall... and hope for the best.

I also think that the longevity of a clover stand depends heavily on management. If it's a mixed stand, it seems that you need to get the grass off in June or early July... to give clover its time to dominate during the hot weather of July and August, where grass suffers. Otherwise, if you let the stand get old a few years in a row, the dead grass will smother it out.
 
This is something where conditions will affect your outcome greatly.

"Some hot and humid weather and some below freezing temps..."

Who knows what that means?

Sprouting jars are cheap. You can buy a kit for ten or twenty bucks. We use them to grow sprouts for the kitchen. And, any questionable seed for gardening/farming gets tested in a sprouting jar in the spring.

I was pleasantly surprised last spring, when it was too late to order dent corn for our garden; my wife shelled the remaining dent corn that we had hanging, on the cob,in the house. That corn had been hanging for 2-1/2 years at that point. We got about 1/2 of a five gallon pail of kernels; and when I tested them in the sprout jars, they passed. That much seed would have cost well over 100 bucks. And, we just harvested a nice batch of dent corn for homemade technicolor johnnycake last month.

So far, I've tested a few types of seeds that were leftover from previous years, such as: beets, peas, dent corn, lettuce, etc. and all of them have passed with up to three years' of storage.

Even so, I wouldn't plant old seed without testing first.

That's my reasonable answer.


My old school farm boy answer is: One particularly wet summer my brother baled the "big-meadow" at the home farm in late June; but couldn't get to second cut until September. In the meantime, July and August were wet. By the time he got to the meadow, it was a carpet of red clover. My father (born in 1928), remarked at the time that "the old timers" (born who knows how long ago) told him that clover seed was "hard" and could "lay dormant in the ground for years" before a long, wet summer would get it to germinate. So, I guess, according to the old timers, clover seed is pretty hardy. Myself, in my personal experience, I think that clover seed is hardy; and actually benefits from a little scarification/inoculation... I seed clover by outfeeding the herd with bales of clover hay during late fall, early winter, on ground that I want seeded to clover. The cows digest the seeds, scarify them, inoculate them and deposit them on the ground... they also trample some into the ground. If I had clover seed... I would probably just broadcast it in the areas where we keep the cows in the fall, let them trample it in during the fall... and hope for the best.

I also think that the longevity of a clover stand depends heavily on management. If it's a mixed stand, it seems that you need to get the grass off in June or early July... to give clover its time to dominate during the hot weather of July and August, where grass suffers. Otherwise, if you let the stand get old a few years in a row, the dead grass will smother it out.
Good story, the 'old timers' lived by experience mostly...the key word being 'lived' their wisdom was heavily depended on by many in the day.
 
Tomato and velvet leaf seeds stay viable for decades or centuries.

Soybean and oat seed drops off fast in 24 months to where some will grow, but you might have poor results from what you were hoping for.

Depends on the seed.

I’d bet the rye will be ok and the clover you can use up at a double rate and also get good results, but I would do the wet paper towel test mentioned.
A city near me has a compost pile made from the "sludge" from their sewage processing site. Tomato seeds survive what ever happens to it and driving by you see all this green and red on top of the piles......not sure if anybody sneaks in there and grabs some veggies.....I never did.
 
This is something where conditions will affect your outcome greatly.

"Some hot and humid weather and some below freezing temps..."

Who knows what that means?

Sprouting jars are cheap. You can buy a kit for ten or twenty bucks. We use them to grow sprouts for the kitchen. And, any questionable seed for gardening/farming gets tested in a sprouting jar in the spring.

I was pleasantly surprised last spring, when it was too late to order dent corn for our garden; my wife shelled the remaining dent corn that we had hanging, on the cob,in the house. That corn had been hanging for 2-1/2 years at that point. We got about 1/2 of a five gallon pail of kernels; and when I tested them in the sprout jars, they passed. That much seed would have cost well over 100 bucks. And, we just harvested a nice batch of dent corn for homemade technicolor johnnycake last month.

So far, I've tested a few types of seeds that were leftover from previous years, such as: beets, peas, dent corn, lettuce, etc. and all of them have passed with up to three years' of storage.

Even so, I wouldn't plant old seed without testing first.

That's my reasonable answer.


My old school farm boy answer is: One particularly wet summer my brother baled the "big-meadow" at the home farm in late June; but couldn't get to second cut until September. In the meantime, July and August were wet. By the time he got to the meadow, it was a carpet of red clover. My father (born in 1928), remarked at the time that "the old timers" (born who knows how long ago) told him that clover seed was "hard" and could "lay dormant in the ground for years" before a long, wet summer would get it to germinate. So, I guess, according to the old timers, clover seed is pretty hardy. Myself, in my personal experience, I think that clover seed is hardy; and actually benefits from a little scarification/inoculation... I seed clover by outfeeding the herd with bales of clover hay during late fall, early winter, on ground that I want seeded to clover. The cows digest the seeds, scarify them, inoculate them and deposit them on the ground... they also trample some into the ground. If I had clover seed... I would probably just broadcast it in the areas where we keep the cows in the fall, let them trample it in during the fall... and hope for the best.

I also think that the longevity of a clover stand depends heavily on management. If it's a mixed stand, it seems that you need to get the grass off in June or early July... to give clover its time to dominate during the hot weather of July and August, where grass suffers. Otherwise, if you let the stand get old a few years in a row, the dead grass will smother it out.
I bought this farm in 1978. For the last few years one area that I don't plow but have fertilized, surprised me with a good crop of white clover. Figure that one out. The fertilizer was triple 13 commercial fertilizer I had left over from a job. I don't know how the seed could have been in that.
 
Here we go! A day late & a dollar short..... but I found the pic I was thinking of.... which holds little relevance to the OP's op.... but.... whatever.

Here you go. The Methuselah tree AKA Judean Date Palm:

JudeanDatePalmMethuselah.jpg


Mike
 
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