Soy bean planter for next year.

[caterpillar guy]

Looking at next year already was wondering what some might think about how to put an end transport on a 6000 series white planter for shed storage. This is a 3pt mounted planter with no rear lift assist wheels. I do have a tool cart type of way to lift it in the field during planting. Was thinking if I could set up the back end wheels so they would swing up to a vertical position as well as be able to mount so I could swing them down to lift the end. I could make it so the markers would be out of the way or viable to mount on the frame with the markers. For the front I was just going to use a tongue in the end of the tube or into a shorter piece under the frame. something like the tongue to an 8 row 400 IH planter would just slip out of the end when in plant position. I would for the back end use am old semi trailer axle for the wheels and would also be stout enough to hold it up with it full If I needed to transport it while in planting season or to load on my lowboy trailer. I would probably be using one of 3 tractors to pull it planting an806,856,1466 . Was thinking if I could either use a cable with 2 cylinders that would work in opposite directions so it would let the planter down then when it got to a certain point the other would pull the would pull the wheels up with an allowance of the cylinder eye to slip along the cable till the wheels were up vertical with the second cylinder and vise versa for lifting it to transport. Other possibility would be to have the planter have the cylinder along the front or back for the forward position of the frame with the planter in the raised 3pt position the cylinder would lift or hold the planter in a raised position then if let down in to a planting position the cylinder would be by center enough to then lift the wheels to a vertical position so they would be back out of the way when planting. Just thoughts of an old farmer rambling on an idea. Ideas with pictures or drawings welcome . Mine are not drawn up yet just in the mental idea stage yet.

 

[urbancase]

Hey cat guy, I looked at doing this to a 20 foot drill . Never did as I went to bean planter. 3 inch tube on one end with wheels and cylinder to raise, front was the bottom bar for cat 3 fast hitch and pivoting point like some large planters have. Good luck

 

[crsutton81]

Looking at next year already was wondering what some might think about how to put an end transport on a 6000 series white planter for shed storage. This is a 3pt mounted planter with no rear lift assist wheels. I do have a tool cart type of way to lift it in the field during planting. Was thinking if I could set up the back end wheels so they would swing up to a vertical position as well as be able to mount so I could swing them down to lift the end. I could make it so the markers would be out of the way or viable to mount on the frame with the markers. For the front I was just going to use a tongue in the end of the tube or into a shorter piece under the frame. something like the tongue to an 8 row 400 IH planter would just slip out of the end when in plant position. I would for the back end use am old semi trailer axle for the wheels and would also be stout enough to hold it up with it full If I needed to transport it while in planting season or to load on my lowboy trailer. I would probably be using one of 3 tractors to pull it planting an806,856,1466 . Was thinking if I could either use a cable with 2 cylinders that would work in opposite directions so it would let the planter down then when it got to a certain point the other would pull the would pull the wheels up with an allowance of the cylinder eye to slip along the cable till the wheels were up vertical with the second cylinder and vise versa for lifting it to transport. Other possibility would be to have the planter have the cylinder along the front or back for the forward position of the frame with the planter in the raised 3pt position the cylinder would lift or hold the planter in a raised position then if let down in to a planting position the cylinder would be by center enough to then lift the wheels to a vertical position so they would be back out of the way when planting. Just thoughts of an old farmer rambling on an idea. Ideas with pictures or drawings welcome . Mine are not drawn up yet just in the mental idea stage yet.

I'm just thinking out loud here.....it sounds as if storing the planter in the off season may be the only need for these modifications. What if it was unhooked onto a Donahue type trailer then backed into storage ? There are a few of these older trailers like this around here reasonable. I would think that this could be easier done than the planter mods if a trailer could be obtained or fabbed up from reclaimed parts, plus it wouldn't hurt the resale value of the planter if it was ever to be traded ??

 

[caterpillar guy]

Well It is more for the storage in the shed . Back in the 80's I worked for a guy with one of those Donahue trailers and what I saw was a disaster looking for a place to happen with the wheels sliding in place of the frame sliding up over the axles , chipped out holes in the wheel castings and in general a pain in the you know where. Didn't see to many of them around here . I do have a detach trailer I could just back up to and set it on. To haul from farm to farm if needed. I was looking to just have it so I didn't have top transport from my work over to my brothers unless he wanted extra help with planting. I was also going to have it just slide in the main frame tube so it would not be stuck welded to the planter. Or at least that was the plan. t would be nice if it was such I could get it to about 30 feet wide so it matched the head when cutting in the fall. At 20 feet it would be just for storage .If it got to 30 feet it would be needed for transport from one farm to the other. Also since I don't have a tractor big enough to lift it I need a method to lift it like a coulter cart or such. I have also thought about if I could make the axle work as a cart when not used for storage . The frame is a tube of 7 inch square outside so probably something like about 6 to 6-1/4 inside or so making it have a 3/8 or 1/2wall thickness about. I doubt I would ever trade it . nothing ever gets traded here just used and worn out then replaced with newer.

 

[flying belgian]

Looking at next year already was wondering what some might think about how to put an end transport on a 6000 series white planter for shed storage. This is a 3pt mounted planter with no rear lift assist wheels. I do have a tool cart type of way to lift it in the field during planting. Was thinking if I could set up the back end wheels so they would swing up to a vertical position as well as be able to mount so I could swing them down to lift the end. I could make it so the markers would be out of the way or viable to mount on the frame with the markers. For the front I was just going to use a tongue in the end of the tube or into a shorter piece under the frame. something like the tongue to an 8 row 400 IH planter would just slip out of the end when in plant position. I would for the back end use am old semi trailer axle for the wheels and would also be stout enough to hold it up with it full If I needed to transport it while in planting season or to load on my lowboy trailer. I would probably be using one of 3 tractors to pull it planting an806,856,1466 . Was thinking if I could either use a cable with 2 cylinders that would work in opposite directions so it would let the planter down then when it got to a certain point the other would pull the would pull the wheels up with an allowance of the cylinder eye to slip along the cable till the wheels were up vertical with the second cylinder and vise versa for lifting it to transport. Other possibility would be to have the planter have the cylinder along the front or back for the forward position of the frame with the planter in the raised 3pt position the cylinder would lift or hold the planter in a raised position then if let down in to a planting position the cylinder would be by center enough to then lift the wheels to a vertical position so they would be back out of the way when planting. Just thoughts of an old farmer rambling on an idea. Ideas with pictures or drawings welcome . Mine are not drawn up yet just in the mental idea stage yet.

Sorry but I'm not following. How wide is this planter? Is it to wide to get through the door? What are you trying to accomplish? Because if you are after a smaller footprint in the shed you don't want to add anything. I built a stone boat to pull my 20 ft bean head through the shed door.

 

[crsutton81]

Sorry but I'm not following. How wide is this planter? Is it to wide to get through the door? What are you trying to accomplish? Because if you are after a smaller footprint in the shed you don't want to add anything. I built a stone boat to pull my 20 ft bean head through the shed door.

I did likewise with our 1st bean head. I used 2 utility power poles that were lashed together with an abundance of angle iron. It served the purpose till better could be done.

 

[caterpillar guy]

It is currently only 8 row planter for 30 inch rows so about 20 foot plus markers on it. I would like to add about 10 feet to it or get a 12 row then add units for 15 inch rows. Ultimately I would like to afford a central fill unit for beans though I can't and a drill is just not going to get it another year. The reason for wanting to make an end transport. for it.

 

[crsutton81]

It is currently only 8 row planter for 30 inch rows so about 20 foot plus markers on it. I would like to add about 10 feet to it or get a 12 row then add units for 15 inch rows. Ultimately I would like to afford a central fill unit for beans though I can't and a drill is just not going to get it another year. The reason for wanting to make an end transport. for it.

Know of any planter salvage yards close by that might would have an old IH 8 row wide, non folding Cyclo ? The one I'm thinking of was a model 800 I think. Might could salvage the transport guts from one.

 

[urbancase]

Hey reading some more of your post I still have the 20 foot drill it a 520 jd, I went to a 7240 planter and it’s18 foot, I ran the 520 on my 1466 with full weights on front. That the one I was looking at doing the end transport on. If you think the 520 would be something you would want let me know as it not being used. Not sure of what you want to spend but I looked at a few 3600 Kinze planters but to big for what I need. Just a idea

 

[caterpillar guy]

Urban I looked at some of the Kinze planters and are more than I want to spend. I was looking at some of those vertical fold Whites thought maybe if I could get one in the 12row narrow or 8 wide It would work well. I'm looking for the planter route for planting beans because I'm tired of having to run the drill out everytime I have a reasonably large difference in seed size. Like going from 2700-3000 seeds per pound then change to a different seed with only 2200-2350 makes a lot of difference in the planting rate without having to do a lot of recalibrating for each change and depth control sucks on drills for beans where you only want them about an inch deep if there is moisture. Where as a planter will plant the same population whether it is 2200 or 3000 seeds per pound. Doesn't sound like much difference till you see them. 3000 looks like BB's and 2300 looks like OO buckshot. a bit off but you get the idea. The drill we have now will plant 15 feet with poor depth control. An early model Great plains. Has the knob and threads for depth control. It is getting tired and I see a ten year low grain prices coming regardless of what happens politically. Just the cycle we are in now. We have had abot 10 years of pretty good prices so now time for the other side of the cycle. I like the White since we already have 3 of them around with a 800016 row for corn and would like to have a 30-40 foot something for beans. One planter is an 8r Narrow with units slid in to 17or 18 inches. Works good just to small and filling each rows box takes a lot of time for filling . though if I got a 30 foot width with 15 inch rows would work well for me and fit the combine had so no guess rows to deal with. Also would take less filling. And I have some ideas if I got the planter worked out for a method of a fill to save time filling with a drill box mounted over the seed boxes with tubes to the row boxes so it would have about double the seed. Problem is the 8 row frame with just the extra row units on full is about all the 71401 will lift and keep the front end on the ground with an almost full set of weights and MFWD. The reason for the end transport and a cart to lift it with. Yes a cross auger could be set up to fill from one location. Just then it has to be mounted so the sseed boxes don't leak when planting and not run over while filling the other boxes. I would just use some extra lids and cut a hole for the tubes . My brother doesn't want to do that to them. I didn't see the big deal or use a piece of sheet steel to seal the tops with. Also thought if I could use a vertical fold without folding I could mount some rows on the front of the frame so I could make 10 inch rows then if I wanted to try some closer together then 15.

 

[caterpillar guy]

Crsutton I don't know of any junkyards for old planters around me or even close enough to go to . I do know of a guy in KS thaty has a prats yard for old IH planters not sure if he would have a frame that big or not. That would also be another set of parts to keep. The Whites we have a few of them so parts are more available to us with the extra planters and row parts are all the same on them other than a few slight differences like the springs for the down pressure or the lids. Which are all fitting the smae just the latch so they don't fall off in the field on the newer ones.

 

[urbancase]

Cat guy saw your posted reply, thinking of what you are wanting to do I never saw one but a company made what they call black machine didn’t they have a frame fold that half folded behind the other? Just an idea and if you are looking for something let me know I see what find in my area. Good luck

 

[caterpillar guy]

I look at tractor house some for things. Most of the wide row planters are out in eastern NE around west of Omaha or up in SE SD. I find a few in other places but the bulk of them is there.