Square baler loose knot problem

[Alan K]

I have been having one side of my square baler missing a completed knot. the one end is cut and the other end has a partial knot with it open in the middle. Any ideas? I don't square bale that much but it would be nice to have it working better. Occasionally it will do it on the other side. I'm sure something is worn out lol.

 

[flying belgian]

I have been having one side of my square baler missing a completed knot. the one end is cut and the other end has a partial knot with it open in the middle. Any ideas? I don't square bale that much but it would be nice to have it working better. Occasionally it will do it on the other side. I'm sure something is worn out lol.

Well you got an edge up on it if one side works. Take all hay and string out of baler. and now trip it and start turning flywheel by hand and watch that both sides are doing the same thing at the same time. And I mean exactly. turn flywheel 1/8 turn and go back there and see if both needles are entering the bale chamber at exactly the same time. Turn it 1/8th more and see if both needles are coming up to their respective knotter exactly the same time and the same place. You will see a difference from good side to bad side somewhere along the tying cycle. Then adjust the bad side to match the good side.

 

[JOCCO]

I have been having one side of my square baler missing a completed knot. the one end is cut and the other end has a partial knot with it open in the middle. Any ideas? I don't square bale that much but it would be nice to have it working better. Occasionally it will do it on the other side. I'm sure something is worn out lol.

Alan it would help if you said what you had for a baler.

 

[jon f mn]

Are you using plastic or sisal twine? Your problem should be the tightness of the twine holder, and for plastic you likely need to loosen some, for sisal tighten some. At least thats my experience. It doesn't take much adjustment there, 1/4 turn is a lot.

 

[showcrop]

As flying belgian posted you need to turn it over by hand. When I do this I don't clean it out, I take all the tension off, and pull the rearmost bale out, and use a pry bar to loosen up what is left. Then I can feed hay in, trip it, and watch what it does in slow motion as it is putting twine around a ten inch long bale.

 

[mrslesq]

I have been having one side of my square baler missing a completed knot. the one end is cut and the other end has a partial knot with it open in the middle. Any ideas? I don't square bale that much but it would be nice to have it working better. Occasionally it will do it on the other side. I'm sure something is worn out lol.

I once had a dull twine knife that did something similar. It did not completely cut the twine and the few strands left pulled the knot apart when tying leaving a partial loose knot loop.

 

[Alan K]

Alan it would help if you said what you had for a baler.

530 Ford

 

[Alan K]

Are you using plastic or sisal twine? Your problem should be the tightness of the twine holder, and for plastic you likely need to loosen some, for sisal tighten some. At least thats my experience. It doesn't take much adjustment there, 1/4 turn is a lot.

Sisal twine. Plastic didn't work.

 

[Alan K]

Well you got an edge up on it if one side works. Take all hay and string out of baler. and now trip it and start turning flywheel by hand and watch that both sides are doing the same thing at the same time. And I mean exactly. turn flywheel 1/8 turn and go back there and see if both needles are entering the bale chamber at exactly the same time. Turn it 1/8th more and see if both needles are coming up to their respective knotter exactly the same time and the same place. You will see a difference from good side to bad side somewhere along the tying cycle. Then adjust the bad side to match the good side.

That is what my dad always said to do and I have tried that a couple times. It always works at that time lol. I was just hoping someone might have an idea where else to look.

 

[Roger in Iowa]

Which twine did not have the loop? The needle twine or the twine over top of the bale? Knowing that will tell you the problem.

 

[JOCCO]

Alan I can not help on that one. Hopefully there is a manual for them that will troubleshoot the issues to a degree.

 

[Fritz Maurer]

I have been having one side of my square baler missing a completed knot. the one end is cut and the other end has a partial knot with it open in the middle. Any ideas? I don't square bale that much but it would be nice to have it working better. Occasionally it will do it on the other side. I'm sure something is worn out lol.

This description is a little sketchy.... but it seems like you're describing the first two problems....and I have no idea what "open in the middle " could mean.

 

[Roger in Iowa]

You either have a twine disk pullout or a tuckerfinger miss.. Again which end had no knot at all

 

[Alan K]

You either have a twine disk pullout or a tuckerfinger miss.. Again which end had no knot at all

The partial knot was at the front, nothing on the top of the bale.

 

[Roger in Iowa]

Nothing in the string across the top of the bale is twine disk pullout. Tighten the twine disk adjustment no more than one flat of nut or bolt and try. If problem persists tighten one more flat. Should fix the problem. YOU WILL NOT find the problem by turning the baler over slowly by hand!!!
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[JOCCO]

Alan, RRlund tells me that some ford balers had New Holland knotters. If that is the case figuring out which one it is and should be able to get parts or help repairing. I suspected it was NH but not sure.

 

[KEB in GCMS]

I have a MF 12 and sometime you can take a piece of emery cloth and buff on the knives and it will help. They get dirty and don't cut completely and the knots will pull through and not tie. But I have not ever dealt with a Ford baler.