Starter grinding

[Kingmopar]

Have a 53 Farm-all Super A...and when doing a partial redo/paint...I left the original starter where it shouldn't be...step-son comes over...bang, original starter hits the floor. No longer works. Being in a hurry, I ordered a starter off of E-Bay, but believe the starter is actually made via DB Electrical(100$ shipped). Starter worked great for about a year of off/on use...then started to grind hitting the flywheel. Tractor put me down yesterday...had to hand crank to get it home...yanked starter. Ring gear is a little banged up...but think I can take a jeweler's file and work that issue-taking a lot of time, knocking the high spots off. Bendix on the aftermarket is banged up and needs to be replaced. Before I started to take the aftermarket starter down, I noticed the collar(in front of the bendix), that houses the return spring..is closer towards the armature, than the original. When I tore it(aftermarket) down, the rear bolt for the spring was in position, and tight. I thought maybe the spring had moved back or something. The original, this collar is almost at the pointed end of the starter housing. The return spring looks a hair larger on the original as well and also has a sort of thin washer in there, around this return spring. Bendix on the original is darn near perfect-and no telling how long it had been on the tractor... and it worked great before it struck the floor, no telling how long it had been on this tractor, aka, never had a grind what-so-ever. Have any of you had issues...with these cheap, aftermarket starters?? I think I need to find a good starter rebuild place...used to be several around back in the day...but, so many have closed, mainly due to the cheap imports.

 

[Janicholson]

If, and only if, the "new" starter has a shaft and drive design like the old one (possible) should you change the drive to a new clutch style drive. Jim

 

[Bob]

(quoted from post at 19:04:12 09/24/19) Have a 53 Farm-all Super A...and when doing a partial redo/paint...I left the original starter where it shouldn't be...step-son comes over...bang, original starter hits the floor. No longer works. Being in a hurry, I ordered a starter off of E-Bay, but believe the starter is actually made via DB Electrical(100$ shipped). Starter worked great for about a year of off/on use...then started to grind hitting the flywheel. Tractor put me down yesterday...had to hand crank to get it home...yanked starter. Ring gear is a little banged up...but think I can take a jeweler's file and work that issue-taking a lot of time, knocking the high spots off. Bendix on the aftermarket is banged up and needs to be replaced. Before I started to take the aftermarket starter down, I noticed the collar(in front of the bendix), that houses the return spring..is closer towards the armature, than the original. When I tore it(aftermarket) down, the rear bolt for the spring was in position, and tight. I thought maybe the spring had moved back or something. The original, this collar is almost at the pointed end of the starter housing. The return spring looks a hair larger on the original as well and also has a sort of thin washer in there, around this return spring. Bendix on the original is darn near perfect-and no telling how long it had been on the tractor... and it worked great before it struck the floor, no telling how long it had been on this tractor, aka, never had a grind what-so-ever. Have any of you had issues...with these cheap, aftermarket starters?? I think I need to find a good starter rebuild place...used to be several around back in the day...but, so many have closed, mainly due to the cheap imports.

D B Electrical is stuff is generally of reasonable quality for the times we live in, and apparently it worked for you for a while so don't rule it out just yet.

You don't need to tweak the ring gear with jeweler's file, it's not that critical.

First thing is to make sure the starter drive is clean and free of oil and dirt, and that you have a well-charged battery in good condition.

For these archaic "inertial" starter drives to work, they need to be clean and the starter needs to come up to speed rapidly, which requires a starter in good condition, and a fully-charged battery in good condition.

 

[rustred]

yes, and I will add... it don't need to be a 12 volt system either. 6 volts is plenty on those starters to start that little engine. I have my w9 on 6 volts and it starts perfectly. I hate a 12 volt battery on 6 volt stuff. worked from factory and still works... for me anyhow. these international tractors are not like fords where the ford engine has to wheel over to start. soon as the battery is low your done. but the old chev's you could barely see the fan turning and they would start.

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

If it's already converted to 12V don't go to the expense of converting it back. Fix the starter, dress the ring gear, and move on with life. Don't overthink the problem.

 

[gene bender]

Only way to fix ring gear is to replace it or remove and put it back reversed