Starter??????

[Rodeo man]

They tell me, they make a starter for my 8n, that is half as big, and twice as fast/strong. Not even sure if that is true, but I supician, that my compression is low, because after its ran it's hard to start. If I park on hill, I'm good to go with a roll start. What say yaw?

 

[souNdguy]

They do make a gear reduction starter for the N. Yes, it spins it faster, meaning more dynamic compression. Are you on 6v or
12v? have you done a compression test? Warm hard starts have many possibilities. Compression is just one ingredient in the
soup.

 

[Jim in Western MI]

This is a link to that starter. I hope someone will report if it mounts without problems and works as advertised.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Tractor-Farm-2N-8N-9N-1939-1952-12-volt-Mini-Starter-A-Super-Upgrade-/281933135383?hash=item41a4863e17:g:OfQAAMXQMmJRI3mn&vxp=mtr

 

[Bruce (VA)]

What?? Troubleshoot before buying parts???
75 Tips

 

[Den N Ms]

Well If you already have it converted to 12 volts,here is the gear reduction starter for your needs.

Some old posts http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=1002504
http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=1011920
Gear Reduction Starter

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 09:02:04 10/18/17) This is a link to that starter. I hope someone will report if it mounts without problems and works as advertised.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Tractor-Farm-2N-8N-9N-1939-1952-12-volt-Mini-Starter-A-Super-Upgrade-/281933135383?hash=item41a4863e17:g:OfQAAMXQMmJRI3mn&vxp=mtr

It's been discussed here before. People have use it with no problem. Seems they are satisfied. Looks like a whole lot easier to install than the original.

 

[souNdguy]

I know... What was I thinking

 

[Rodeo man]

(quoted from post at 17:01:53 10/18/17) They do make a gear reduction starter for the N. Yes, it spins it faster, meaning more dynamic compression. Are you on 6v or
12v? have you done a compression test? Warm hard starts have many possibilities. Compression is just one ingredient in the
soup.

L'm 12 volt, I have not checked compression.

 

[Paul in MN]

I have used the $161 one from this source. I am very satisfied with its performance. It cranks faster than the 6V, but not as fast as the 12 V applied to the original 6V starter. It engages the engine side of the ring gear, and that is the greatest advantage. A worn ring gear is no problem. My installation required rotating the aluminum adapter piece which is predrilled for different applications. The solenoid requires standard automotive "hot" signal to activate the starter. This means using a small bosch type auto relay with the tranny start button completing the relay start circuit, allowing hot signal to go to the solenoid. The relay is less than $10, and its plug socket is fairly cheap. (I robbed both from an old car, so no cost). This is a great improvement to the N tractors, and probably 100X as reliable as the aftermarket original type starters now available. (I have 7 of the original type dead ones on the shelf to rob parts from). The gear reduction one I purchased has the SNAP sticker on it.

Paul in MN

 

[Jim in Western MI]

Thanks for the background. Both of my 8N's are converted to 12v with the original starters, but both start immediately. One is EI, the other is conventional. Question for you on the relay: Is the relay you are using a 3-pole relay..., one + 12v "in" terminal, one ground terminal connected to the actuator (trans button), and the final being the + out to the starter solenoid? Or is it the 4-pole relay that has two terminals that become inter-connected when both the + terminal and the - terminal are engaged? I use the latter type (a headlight relay) on my boat to connect the two electrical circuits when I want to charge the trolling motor from the engine's alternator; so there are a couple on the shelf.

Just thinking ahead to a day when the ring gear gets worn or I need a new starter....

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 14:10:28 10/18/17) I have used the $161 one from this source. I am very satisfied with its performance. It cranks faster than the 6V, but not as fast as the 12 V applied to the original 6V starter. It engages the engine side of the ring gear, and that is the greatest advantage. A worn ring gear is no problem. My installation required rotating the aluminum adapter piece which is predrilled for different applications. The solenoid requires standard automotive "hot" signal to activate the starter. This means using a small bosch type auto relay with the tranny start button completing the relay start circuit, allowing hot signal to go to the solenoid. The relay is less than $10, and its plug socket is fairly cheap. (I robbed both from an old car, so no cost). This is a great improvement to the N tractors, and probably 100X as reliable as the aftermarket original type starters now available. (I have 7 of the original type dead ones on the shelf to rob parts from). The gear reduction one I purchased has the SNAP sticker on it.

Paul in MN

I'm thinking about getting one of those starters as a stand by for when or if mine goes bad. I wonder if it will also fit the MF202?

 

[Paul in MN]

I made this conversion about 1 year ago, and my memory is not so good. But as I recall, the first described relay is what I wanted, but the 2nd one described is the one I found and used (leaving one of the terminals unused). I don't think it makes any difference. Just wire it so that the tranny start button completes the activation circuit and the +12v goes to the solenoid. The 8N tractor that I installed this conversion on belongs to someone else and is not here at my place. The owner had worn out the ring gear, and I have replaced 2 other ring gears on his other tractor. I wanted to avoid the split and replacement (too much labor) and replacement conventional starter + solenoid + ring gear parts alone cost more than the gear drive starter with solenoid and no ring gear. The original starter engages the tranny side of the ring gear, and the gear drive one engages the engine side of the ring gear which typically shows no wear at all. As this conversion will probably outlast my mechanin days, I labeled the wires and relay connections so some next owner doesn't have to pull out all of his hair (and the wires). This installation works absolutely flawlessly.

Paul in MN

 

[Paul in MN]

My brother has a MF 202, but we haven't tried this starter conversion on it. Just a precaution... the Ford ring gear has more gear teeth per inch than I find with the Delco starters on Farmalls with Delco starters. I think the MF 202 uses a Delco electrical system, so it might have the coarser gear pitch, not compatible with this Ford starter. However, I see by the referenced links below that this starter reman co is making some for mid 50's GM autos. They might be compatible with the MF 202. ??

Paul in MN

 

[kev518n]

put one on about a year ago. Best money I've spent on the 8n other than the Paulson front end loader. No more junk fall apart factory starters for me.

 

[Caryc]

(quoted from post at 19:44:47 10/18/17) I made this conversion about 1 year ago, and my memory is not so good. But as I recall, the first described relay is what I wanted, but the 2nd one described is the one I found and used (leaving one of the terminals unused). I don't think it makes any difference. Just wire it so that the tranny start button completes the activation circuit and the +12v goes to the solenoid. The 8N tractor that I installed this conversion on belongs to someone else and is not here at my place. The owner had worn out the ring gear, and I have replaced 2 other ring gears on his other tractor. I wanted to avoid the split and replacement (too much labor) and replacement conventional starter + solenoid + ring gear parts alone cost more than the gear drive starter with solenoid and no ring gear. The original starter engages the tranny side of the ring gear, and the gear drive one engages the engine side of the ring gear which typically shows no wear at all. As this conversion will probably outlast my mechanin days, I labeled the wires and relay connections so some next owner doesn't have to pull out all of his hair (and the wires). This installation works absolutely flawlessly.

Paul in MN

Paul,

I purchased one of those starters myself. If possible, could you show a quick sketch of exactly how you wired yours?