Steering/Tire problem

[bones774]

Hi, This may be a generic question but i'll state that I have a Terramite T5 compact backhoe loader, all stock except I have a newer Honda GX series motor installed (in case we're talking about weight problem).
When I turn the steering wheel to full lock right or left the machine doesnt really turn much, it more like plows ahead forward, this applies a lot of pressure to the sidewall of tire and then breaks the bead resulting in immediate tire deflation. At this point i go thru resetting the bead and tire then again holds air. Am I doing something wrong or the tires need replacement(they're old). Help thanks

 

[Bandit2026]

Hi, This may be a generic question but i'll state that I have a Terramite T5 compact backhoe loader, all stock except I have a newer Honda GX series motor installed (in case we're talking about weight problem).
When I turn the steering wheel to full lock right or left the machine doesnt really turn much, it more like plows ahead forward, this applies a lot of pressure to the sidewall of tire and then breaks the bead resulting in immediate tire deflation. At this point i go thru resetting the bead and tire then again holds air. Am I doing something wrong or the tires need replacement(they're old). Help thanks

Install a tube in them to help

 

[Jim.ME]

Hi, This may be a generic question but i'll state that I have a Terramite T5 compact backhoe loader, all stock except I have a newer Honda GX series motor installed (in case we're talking about weight problem).
When I turn the steering wheel to full lock right or left the machine doesnt really turn much, it more like plows ahead forward, this applies a lot of pressure to the sidewall of tire and then breaks the bead resulting in immediate tire deflation. At this point i go thru resetting the bead and tire then again holds air. Am I doing something wrong or the tires need replacement(they're old). Help thanks

Are they supposed to be tubeless tires? Either way put tubes in them. Is the differential working to allow the drive tires to turn at different speeds when cornering, or is it locked and has no slip? Does it plow with a load in the bucket?

Edit to add: If you turn the wheel back from full lock a bit does it turn? I have had a front plow at full lock but turn when backed away from full locked position.

 

[rustred]

Hi, This may be a generic question but i'll state that I have a Terramite T5 compact backhoe loader, all stock except I have a newer Honda GX series motor installed (in case we're talking about weight problem).
When I turn the steering wheel to full lock right or left the machine doesnt really turn much, it more like plows ahead forward, this applies a lot of pressure to the sidewall of tire and then breaks the bead resulting in immediate tire deflation. At this point i go thru resetting the bead and tire then again holds air. Am I doing something wrong or the tires need replacement(they're old). Help thanks

if your wheels are not turning much like u say , then u have a steering problem. or am i reading this wrong? what about brakes on that thing ? and if you dont have the proper tires on it that is also a factor. post a pic of that thing.

 

[bones774]

I put a tube in one of them, it worked but I thought that was just a band aid.
I'm secondary owner don't know if it's supposed to be tubeless but the guy I bought it from was a very well versed.
I don't think there is a differential, it's like a go cart steering, very simple.
The wheels do turn but the Terramite pushes forward ( im talking about the whole tractor) anyway.
I'm in NY now, it will be a few days, snow is still flying here. There are online pics available
Thanks

 

[redtom]

Is there a rear differential lock that might be staying locked?

 

[Mule Meat]

T5's are built with the majority of the weight over the rear end and if it's original it should have a Dana limited slip rear diff.

New tires, old tires, tubes or not. . They will not make a sharp turn without the front tires digging in on softer terrain without the diff locking shoving the machine straight forward.. Need to slow down and make gradual turns with it.

 

[Jim.ME]

I put a tube in one of them, it worked but I thought that was just a band aid.
I'm secondary owner don't know if it's supposed to be tubeless but the guy I bought it from was a very well versed.
I don't think there is a differential, it's like a go cart steering, very simple.
The wheels do turn but the Terramite pushes forward ( im talking about the whole tractor) anyway.
I'm in NY now, it will be a few days, snow is still flying here. There are online pics available
Thanks

Tubes in tubeless tires help keep they from losing air from the tire bead being pushed off the rim, as you had happened, especially with soft tires.

It has a differential, I found a spec sheet for a T5, and it is supposed to have a limited slip differential. If the differential is not slipping it will make the machine want to travel straight ahead. Wheels cut hard and being pushed straight ahead is call front end plowing.

start searching eBay and the internet for Operator's, service, and Parts manuals for your machine, and get them.

 

[rustred]

I put a tube in one of them, it worked but I thought that was just a band aid.
I'm secondary owner don't know if it's supposed to be tubeless but the guy I bought it from was a very well versed.
I don't think there is a differential, it's like a go cart steering, very simple.
The wheels do turn but the Terramite pushes forward ( im talking about the whole tractor) anyway.
I'm in NY now, it will be a few days, snow is still flying here. There are online pics available
Thanks

how much air are you running in them, they should be aired up to max psi . plus what tires are you running on it. if its just a tire like a car tread when yes they will just slide. gotta have the actual rear tire design, so it dig in and turn. plus the loader ? is it full or empty. lots we dont know. same deal as a tractor in the field. gotta have rib tires on the front.

 

[NDIHC]

Backhoes generally don't have ag type tires on the front. They are usually more like a truck steer tire tread or industrial tread. Most backhoe operators I know put a load of dirt or gravel in the loader bucket to get weight on the front if they want them to steer sharper without skidding the front tires.

 

[bones774]

I have truck steer industrial type tires.
I'll have to look at that rear diff.
I'll see what i can do in upcoming days and update.
Thanks for all the help.

PS I just remembered when operating in the snow the rear tires operate independently when breaking traction. Is that correct?

 

[Jim.ME]

It is a Geo-TH,In tractor! It should be similar to this.

 

[trackrat]

My guess would be rear end is locked up, limited slip is no slip rear end put it up on outriggers try turning one rear wheel and hold the other see if it is locked up my best guess

 

[rustred]

Yes I realize that , I am asking if they are a smooth tread like u posted. Kinda why I asked for a photo. That answers a lot of questions. It appears they should have a rear tire tread on the front also. And we are not standing there watching to know. They are not a skid steer. And yes u have a throttle and should have brakes on it. Throttle down on turns. No different than a tractor also. The slower rpm on turns the tighter your turn will be and front wheels won’t be pushing.

 

[rustred]

I have truck steer industrial type tires.
I'll have to look at that rear diff.
I'll see what i can do in upcoming days and update.
Thanks for all the help.

Ok so that is one cause of the problem.

 

[rustred]

Ok so that is one cause of the problem.

And does it have a foot operated accelerator ?

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

TLBs, tractor-loader-backhoes, are notoriously heavy behind the rear axle due to the backhoe, and tend to be light on the front end.

Try getting a bucket full of dirt with the loader and then drive it around. That will tell you if it is a weight/balance issue. If filling the bucket with dirt helps, then adding some kind of weight to the front end of the tractor is the solution.

 

[MARK ROBKE]

Does this machine have individual right and left brakes? Two brake pedals- one for each rear wheel? If so step on the pedal for side to which you are turning. For light front ends this is common practice. Mark.

 

[RedMF40]

And does it have a foot operated accelerator ?

I’m going by memory, but I believe all of those machines have a Hydro transmission with a foot pedal for forward and reverse. Possibly a hand throttle as well.

I don’t recall a diff lock, doesn’t mean they don’t have one.

 

[MKinON]

TLBs, tractor-loader-backhoes, are notoriously heavy behind the rear axle due to the backhoe, and tend to be light on the front end.

Try getting a bucket full of dirt with the loader and then drive it around. That will tell you if it is a weight/balance issue. If filling the bucket with dirt helps, then adding some kind of weight to the front end of the tractor is the solution.

Any xtra weight on the front end will help and make a difference, but it won't help you determine whether it's a balance issue or a locked up rear diff, which it could easy be. It should at least try to turn, even if it's poorly balanced, not just plow straight ahead.