Tractor Pulling Ability

[charles Leddy]

A friend has a Allis One-Eighty with a modern Westendorf loader on the front and a heavy Rino blade on the back plus
loaded tires and 2 wheel weights on each back multidirectional back tires and wide tires on front. We were trying to
pull tree stumps out of a pond and he insisted pulling with a chain fastened on the loader bucket. About half were
to tough to pull even with mulitiple trying from different angles. I have always thought it was safest and best to
pull from the back with a proper hookup to drawbar. What do others think?

Since he 80 years old and not good at backing around the edge of the muddy-unlevel pond edge and I was in charge of
hooking the chain I felt better being in front so no complaints but felt it was being done wrong?? Tractor is so
heavy it did pretty good-Better than a tractor with row-crop tires??Cleddy

 

[Bob Bancroft]

You are correct.

 

[4wdtom]

Yes, pulling form the drawbar is the only really safe way. And the drawbar needs to be long enough to get the hitch point at or just outside a line from the outside of one back tire to the other. With the hitch point inside the radius of the ties it is possible, with good traction, that the tractor could go over backwards. This concept may take some thinking about to grasp. The tire/ground point is the fulcrum and puling from above it can make the tractor go over. As the tractor front end comes up a drawbar outside the tire radius gets to be below the fulcrum and would keep the tractor from going over.

 

[Aaron SEIA]

I'll buck the thinking here in this instance. If his hook point was low on the bucket, then there is almost zero chance for it to go over. If he was pulling them out of a pond, I'd whole lot rather pull into it than back in where it'd be easier for the tractor to roll into the water. The important part is the hitch point needs to be as low as possible.
AaronSEIA

 

[charles Leddy]

I think that was the big concern-safety on backing. The big Allis Chalmers in not nearly as manuerable as the little
4-wheel drive Modern John-Deere Compact tractors he is used to. The loader has a place for a clevis low and we
always kept it low. The rear blade is heavy enough to use as a brake if needed. cleddy

 

[Jim Phelps]

From a physics stand point pulling from the loader would seem to create a pivot point taking weight off the back tires. I could see if he was trying to lift them out with the hydraulics but not using the loader to actually pull from.

 

[Traditional Farmer]

Seems obvious but think he needs more chains or cables to get the tractor away from the pond,tractors pull a lot more hooked to the back which is why you don't see things like plows hooked to the front and being pulled in reverse.

 

[krumenacker]

Tractor tires are made to pull forward.

The tractor is designed to pull from hitch.

The tractor is weighted to pull from the hitch.

You may be able to pull safely from bucket, you will get better pull from the hitch.