TSC Tras/hyd fluid

[J. J. R.]

Does anyone know if Tractor Supply Company (Travellers Trans/Hydraulic fluid) a good substitute for Ambra 134D in my 640 transmission,
hydraulic, power steering and differential compartments? Thank you.

 

[Andy Wickiser]

TSC Traveller Premium Tractor Trans/Hydraulic Fluid should work fine.

 

[Tim PloughNman Daley]

One of the most posted topics on these boards is on oil, both engine and hydraulic oil, so any questions can be answered in the archives but many are too lazy to do that research so by reposting same old questions, feel they'll get faster responses. Also, some replies get very technical and are way above many fellas pay grade so don't read and/or understand it. Whatever. So here I go again with my standard reply. The original FORD hydraulic oil was spec'd as MC134D til the Hundred Series then spec was MC-4864. Both are NLA and CNH does not make it anymore. Unless your local CNH dealer has some NOS buckets on his shelf. CNH only sells the synthetic stuff made for the Boomer and TW tractors now. Part of the CNH campaign to eliminate all older tractor parts and stuff. You can use the TSC stuff, their special Ford stuff is just a GL1 oil and you can also get the same SAE-80/90 oil at NAPA too. Many now just use basic ATF oil, a GL3 grade and allegedly holds up better in colder weather. Me? Once CNH discontinued the MC134D oil, I have just used the TSC and NAPA stuff in my Fords and never had any problems and I live in MIchigan where we have cold/winter 9 months out of the year. TSC sells a ISO 32, ISO 46, ISO 64 thin, med, heavy grade oil. I think the Universal Traveller stuff is just a GL1 grade as well. You should be warming up the engine and system in cold weather anyway so once up to temp, systems will work fine. You don't need some of these newer brands made by Mobil, Lucas, Castrol, Valvoline, Phillips, etc. as they contain added chemicals not needed in older Ford/tractor systems. Read labels. You can research any compound by the MSDS sheet/label too.

NAPA SAE-90 GEAR OIL:

TSC HYDRAULIC OIL FOR TRACTORS:

TSC ATF - will work just fine:

CNH MC134D FORD SPEC HYDRAULIC OIL - NLA:

Tim Daley (MI)

 

[showcrop]

Anything but the cheapest hydraulic oil in your hydraulic system is a waste of your money. Trans-hyd oils were developed for machines with clutch packs which Ford didn't have until 1958.

 

[Mike(NEOhio)]

I use TSC Universal Trans Hydraulic in my 2000, no problems. 90 Wt is for transmissions and rear ends with separate hydraulic systems. My 2000 would stall in cold weather startups just by letting up the clutch in neutral till it warmed up some. It had 90 in the transmission, separate from the rear end. I changed it to the UTH like it's supposed to have.

 

[Sean in PA]

The original FORD hydraulic oil was spec'd as MC134D til the Hundred Series then spec was MC-4864.

That is not correct. Ford didn't introduce the M2C134 specification until after the release of the 3 cylinder thousand series. The Operator's Manual for my '73 4000 lists several different specifications for the various sumps, and when I looked those up, they were no longer made and my local New Holland dealer said that they had all been superseded by the newer M2C134 specification, and that the current version at the time (2007) was M2C134D.

 

[J. J. R.]

Thank you, Tim, for all the great information. I'm old and have read so much on this topic that it became confusing. In the past I had been using Ambra 134 in all three compartments with no issues. But was informed that it was discontinued. Just wanted to be sure to use a comparable oil to replace the 134. Thank you again for your research and wisdom. I'll save your post, so that I don't ask again. Hope others read it too.

 

[Sean in PA]

(quoted from post at 10:34:19 10/09/23) Thank you, Tim, for all the great information. I'm old and have read so much on this topic that it became confusing. In the past I had been using Ambra 134 in all three compartments with no issues. But was informed that it was discontinued. Just wanted to be sure to use a comparable oil to replace the 134. Thank you again for your research and wisdom. I'll save your post, so that I don't ask again. Hope others read it too.

The Travelers Premium UTF at TSC says on the label that it meets or exceeds the M2C134D specification.

 

[J. J. R.]

Thank you. I believe that is the way I'm going to go.

 

[Centerline]

oils are not as complicated as dealerships would have you believe, and many people believe the man at the parts counter of their dealership speaks the gospel when it comes to various oils... but its unlikely that he knows any more about OILS than most of the customers he deals with everyday....

there are standard oils and synthetic oils and vegetable oils, some believe that are not compatible with each other. but they ARE in every respect.... the ONLY advantage of a synthetic oil is that it can withstand higher temps than regular oil.. and the vegetable oil is used in equipment in canneries and equipment being used near an important water source, so that when a leak/spill occurs, it doesnt contaminate everything it touches....

excluding the veg oils that we would likely never have occasion to use in our tractors, there are really only 2 types of NORMAL hydraulic fluid, both have different viscosities, and different additives, with some being colored, and some being clear....

there is [b:7ae62cdb7d]basic hydraulic fluid[/b:7ae62cdb7d]...which is just a clear oil and comes in aw32 which is the standard 10wt hyd oil, and AW68 which is a 30wt hyd oil....

and there is [b:7ae62cdb7d]tractor hydraulic fluid[/b:7ae62cdb7d], which is often labeled as PREMIUM hydraulic fluid... the difference being that the TRACTOR fluid has FRICTION MODIFIERS in it, where the basic hyd oils do NOT....

colored trans fluids are a 10wt oil with dye in them, and almost all of them sold today have friction modifiers in them.... one exception is the type F ford trans fluid, which is simply the basic hydraulic fluid without any modifiers in it.....

ALL brands add or omit their own additives/quantities to ANY OIL they produce, but NONE of these secondary additives will make any noticeable difference in the use of the oil....

This post was edited by Centerline on 10/10/2023 at 03:42 pm.

 

[J. J. R.]

Great interesting information. I went with a Premium trans/hyd oil.