Walmart Supertech utf

[Ultradog MN]

Anyone using this stuff?
Website says it meets/exceeds M2C134D.
It's $45/pail. I need 5 pails this spring.
One pail is to change the fluid in my SOS.
Recommended?
Is there anything cheaper?
Thanks

 

[rvirgil_KS]

Check your local farm supply places. Our local Orscheln has that spec on their webside for $37. Goes on sale frequently

 

[Fred Werring]

Just bought a couple buckets of Extreme brand for $25 ea from a local hardware store. They meet the M2C134C spec, not D, don't know if there's a difference.

Was in the local NAPA, theirs was $28-29

Rural King has it $25

Tractor supply has theirs for $38, but wait for a sale.

Fred

 

[Billy NY]

I've said this before many times here, put the wrong oil in this transmission, it will fail. Cheap or incorrect fluid savings vs the cost of repairs......

I have seen other oils, I think at TSC or auto parts store, somewhere, that list the Ford S-O-S transmission on the bucket. Certainly not a a petroleum engineer, but can tell you flat out what happens when you put the wrong fluid in these. We sold them new, had at least 2 mechanics that could work on them in our shop and the one thing that always stood out in those days was to use the correct fluid.

I know you like that jerk-o-matic, LOL, but if you have one that is working correctly, not advisable to save a few bucks by risking the use of the wrong oil.

 

[Ultradog MN]

So what is the right oil and who sells it?

 

[Billy NY]

Ambra Mastertran Ultraction should be the current equivalent from CNH, it supercedes Ambra Multi G 134,which supersedes M2C134A/B/C/D. Verify with CNH dealer, link below shows a Castrol product data sheet listing all the older versions, so the current oil should be Ambra Mastertran Ultraction and the history going back to the early 70's. Incidentally, I have a steel can from the dealership with some of the older spec fluid in it. Long gone are the days of all those neat looking steel cans.

Obviously, CNH gets $70 or more now for 5 gallons.

TSC's Traveller brand will likely be a lot less, but then again, both will have different additive packages, so what you decide on may be based on that or that both meet spec and cost difference. With a S-O-S even with modest use, I'd want the best quality oil for it, which one that is, well it's like opinions.... use the wrong oil and you have a giant lawn ornament.

Castrol

 

[Destroked 450]

Haven't tried the Wal-Mart utf oil
I was at Rural King Wednesday and read labels on their different hyd oils, ended up buy a few buckets of Cam2 ProMax J20C, $38 for 5 gal.
Says it meets and exceeds Ford 134D, JD Hy-Gard and Kubota UTF.
Their $17 per bucket 303 tractor hyd oil is a recommended replacement for 134 but doesn't say meets or exceeds, I've used it in my 4000 but have noticed a little foaming around the shifters after a long hard day.
I'm going to switch over to the higher grade Cam2 J20C for all of my equipment. $38 compared to dealers $84 is a pretty good savings.
NH Ambra 134, JD Hy-Gard, Kubota UTF, Case Hy-Tran Ultraction are all premium hyd oils, any aftermarket fluids that meets or exceeds them should work fine in a SOS trans.


John

 

[shaun wallace]

So whats the difference between M2C134A and M2C134D. the M2C134A was the spec oil in 1980s for everything but engine. It done away with having 3 oils. Usually the letter meant Ford contracted it out to new supplyer.

 

[WayneIA]

Engineering in a S.O.S. although new at the time , is no different than any other power shift transmission. Oil usage in a S.O.S. was usually not the cause of failure. M2C41 was the original recommended oil with this "new" transmissions, which has been superseded how many times. 50+ years of oil research has every oil past that original speck. I don't believe one ever left our shop without a can of STP, after the first few had to be repaired. Clean oil and filter helps the most. They are not run 8 hours a day 7 days a week like they used to have to do.

 

[Ncorrigible]

I use it. No problems in any application including SOS. My 2 local Walmart stores don't carry it so I buy online. Last time shipping was still free. I haven't checked recently becuz I have enough on hand to do the 3000 when it gets warm and dry enough to work outside. TSC Traveler is good UTF too - I just do not like TSC anymore.

 

[Check Break]

(quoted from post at 10:08:54 03/24/18) So what is the right oil and who sells it?

Valvoline VV813. Not cheap but cheaper than hard parts and considering you won't be changing it again for at least ten years, it costs less than the cheap stuff.

 

[sotxbill]

(quoted from post at 12:08:54 03/24/18) So what is the right oil and who sells it?

m2c53a is the right oil and its no longer made or sold as least commonly. m2c134 oil is a newer oil that meets or exceeds....... the original spec. So the argument is what to buy?? Heck go by the full synthetic stuff for 80 bucks a can, and you cant go wrong... back to reality... there are lots of good fluids that meet or exceed m2c53a tractor hydraulic fluid. There was even a automatic transmission fluid back then that was also recommended.

 

[grayrider]

I use it in my tractors, good stuff

 

[Larry NCKS]

(quoted from post at 20:12:43 03/24/18)

(quoted from post at 12:08:54 03/24/18) So what is the right oil and who sells it?

m2c53a is the right oil and its no longer made or sold as least commonly.

Great Texas advice once again. M2c53a is not the right oil! SOS transmissions spec'd m2c41 lubricants when they were built!

 

[Larry NCKS]

If you read that label (Travelers), you will not find the required "meets or exceeds" on it anywhere. "Recommended for the following applications" is not a great commendation for this oil. I'd steer clear of it.

 

[Ultradog MN]

So in other words, nothing but hard to find,
expensive oil is good enough for them.
Gonna remember that and repeat it often as just
another reason not to own one of the bloody
things!

 

[Bern]

A SOS transmission holds about 3+ gallons of oil, that needs to be changed maybe once every 5 years for the typical owner on this board. The simple fact that the SOS needs marginally more expensive fluid than a standard tranny is a good reason not to own one? Really?

I'll take a SOS over an 8-speed crashbox any day! Yes, they have their quirks, but at the end of a long day I'm going to be less frustrated with a powershift when a lot of shifting is required.

 

[CTPhil]

LOL, when the topic shifts to SOS, it is never boring.

 

[sotxbill]

(quoted from post at 01:43:17 03/25/18)

(quoted from post at 20:12:43 03/24/18)

(quoted from post at 12:08:54 03/24/18) So what is the right oil and who sells it?

m2c53a is the right oil and its no longer made or sold as least commonly.

Great Texas advice once again. M2c53a is not the right oil! SOS transmissions spec'd m2c41 lubricants when they were built!

Taken out of my 3000 service manual... plus or minus.. yes you have the red butt... The earlier sos called for even an different spec, the 43 spec or something. Get over it. Frigging aoil salesmen are always rewriting history. You know how to tell when an oil salesman is lying? Point is.... that it never called for the 134 spec..... so get over it mr oil salesman.


The 700 series manual called for ....."[b:236902ce15]m-2c41 ford universal hydraulic lubricant[/b:236902ce15]". SO go blow that up your skirt.

 

[Billy NY]

Could not have said it better than Bern did. I ran a '64 4000 S-O-S for about 10 years, on all kinds of tasks,putting up hay, snow removal, rotary cutter work, plow/disc etc. Hard to figure the hours, but this tractor and it's transmission worked flawlessly all that time. Once serviced, given the limited work you have, more than likely it will outlive you. This tractor did a ton of hours before we had it, was a highway mowing tractor on the NYS thruway.

 

[Larry NCKS]

(quoted from post at 09:45:49 03/25/18)

You know how to tell when an oil salesman is lying?

I guess the same way you know a south Texan is so full of himself, he wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the nose!

 

[Bern]

"when the topic SHIFTS to SOS..." haha, good one!

 

[Ultradog MN]

Yeah, finding the right, more expensive oil is just a small thing.
Like the jerking is a small thing and the adjustments are just a small thing and their lack of reliability and lousy reputation for eating input shafts and TLCs are small things and changing the filter is small
and exorbitant parts - if you can find them is no big deal and pulling the platform off a row crop so you can pull the cover off to adjust them are all minor things and the fact that maybe 10% of the 6000s are still in service on account of that transmission is a small thing and it's easy to have one out of adjustment so it goes into gear when you get off is just a small thing and you gotta have a manual to even touch one ain't a big deal, that they eat more HP than a crash box is paltry, the PTOs always spin and a bunch of other wee inconvienences which make them suck aren't big either.

 

[sotxbill]

(quoted from post at 13:36:42 03/25/18)

(quoted from post at 09:45:49 03/25/18)

You know how to tell when an oil salesman is lying?

I guess the same way you know a south Texan is so full of himself, he wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the nose!

Remember, your the one who got his high horse about meets or exceeds.... Dont let the facts get in the way of the truth. The sos is not the same tranny used in todays modern tractors, does not have the pressure or the heat, and did not spec fluids that did not exist. So get over it.

btw, which tractor did the original poster have? I believe he said sos.. and the year/model of the sos would determine what fluid spec that ford called for. again, dont let the truth get in your way. My 3000 manual is different from my 700 manual. So you tell me. IN fact I would guess he has a 4000 tractor, but thats just a guess....

 

[WGM]

You get what you pay for.

 

[Bern]

It's like most things in life - if you want more conveniences, then you will likely have to accept more upfront cost and/or maintenance. Myself, knowing how they work and not being afraid of them, I will gladly accept the increased maintenance in exchange for the convenience in field operations.

I don't have a lot of personal field time with a SOS, but I have spent many hours in a Ford Genesis tractor, after it replaced a TW. Night and day difference in the fatigue factor at the end of the day, and that's primarily because of the transmission. Shifting a crashbox TW makes me grit my teeth to be quite honest, and would wear out my left knee if I were using it to push up silage all day long.

 

[sotxbill]

Now that we finally realize the sos did NOT require 134d... the fluid required was m2c41... and was also shown to be type A automatic transmission fluid that met m2c41... now back to the question of late... can someone use 303 fluid to replace type a automatic transmission fluid in a sos trans..... Will the "yellow" containers work?

Remember that in 1967 ford introduced the type f fluid to LOWER friction modifiers to work with the new c-x series transmissions that replace the cruiseomatics....
It would seem also in 1970, the friction modifier used in type a autotransmission fluids was banned for use as there was now a ban on using the [b:66309f48c2]Whale oil[/b:66309f48c2] additive for a friction modifier. The 41 spec was however brass compatible as a side note.

The 53 spec added oring and oxidation additives due the higher pressure on the hydraulic pumps introduced in 1965 tractors...

So back to the yellow hydraulic fluids... The 303 specs far exceeded the 41 specs... and were approved for wet brakes an clutches.. so.....