Water at flywheel

[Michael12]

Hi all,
My starter went out on my Ford 861, I just pulled it and there is drops of water on the bendix and the flywheel. There is definitely surface rust but not really old rust. It's got water drops but not soaking wet. Any ideas?

 

[Jim.ME]

Humidity and temperature changes?

 

[Michael12]

Humidity and temperature changes?

I'm in NW Montana, were dry as a bone here. Maybe over winter so.ething got in there and couldn't get out.

 

[Ray,IN]

Normal heating and cooling IMO. To test my theory, put a block of steel in your refrigerator overnight, next morning take it out and lay it on your porch and observe any moisture collecting on the steel.

 

[Michael12]

Normal heating and cooling IMO. To test my theory, put a block of steel in your refrigerator overnight, next morning take it out and lay it on your porch and observe any moisture collecting on the steel.

That sounds great, it would mean my suspicion of bigger problems are unfounded. Thanks!

 

[showcrop]

People don't tend to believe that water gets into their machines by condensation. Old Ford owners all think that somehow the hydraulic oil gets milky from water getting past the boot on the shift lever on the transmission. I have had big puddles of condensate under machines inside my shop.

 

[Ray,IN]

People don't tend to believe that water gets into their machines by condensation. Old Ford owners all think that somehow the hydraulic oil gets milky from water getting past the boot on the shift lever on the transmission. I have had big puddles of condensate under machines inside my shop.

Water does leak past a faulty shifter boot. That's quite different than condensation. The "rubber" boot is supposed to grip the shifter lever tightly, it does until sun and oil takes it toll, then it begins leaking.
When I put new boots on my tractor shifter levers, I add a zip-tie to insure it doesn't leak. A zip-tie is much cheaper than 7 gallons of transoil.

 

[showcrop]

Water does leak past a faulty shifter boot. That's quite different than condensation. The "rubber" boot is supposed to grip the shifter lever tightly, it does until sun and oil takes it toll, then it begins leaking.
When I put new boots on my tractor shifter levers, I add a zip-tie to insure it doesn't leak. A zip-tie is much cheaper than 7 gallons of transoil.

try reading my post again. Every word.

 

[Ray,IN]

try reading my post again. Every word.

You're gonna have to explain to this old man what I'm missing.

 

[showcrop]

You're gonna have to explain to this old man what I'm missing.

My post was about milky hydraulic oil. The shifter is on the transmission housing not the hydraulic housing. Having milkshake oil in the transmission does happen but nowhere near as frequently as in the hydraulic. The trans oil gets heated up quickly by the turning of the gears so moisture of condensation that gets in there is evaporated pretty much every time that the tractor runs.

 

[Ray,IN]

My post was about milky hydraulic oil. The shifter is on the transmission housing not the hydraulic housing. Having milkshake oil in the transmission does happen but nowhere near as frequently as in the hydraulic. The trans oil gets heated up quickly by the turning of the gears so moisture of condensation that gets in there is evaporated pretty much every time that the tractor runs.

I'm familiar with old Harry Ferguson tractors, hyd and trans oil is the same reservoir. I thought old Ford tractors were the same?

 

[Keith Williams]

I'm familiar with old Harry Ferguson tractors, hyd and trans oil is the same reservoir. I thought old Ford tractors were the same?

The 6XX, 7XX, 8XX & 9XX series plus the 2000 & 4000 thru 1964 or 65 all had 3 separate compartments.
Here is the page for my 1964 4000 tractor.

 

[Sean in PA]

I'm familiar with old Harry Ferguson tractors, hyd and trans oil is the same reservoir. I thought old Ford tractors were the same?

The earlier Ford N tractors (9N/2N/8N) had the trans and hydraulics as a common sump. Those were designed by Ford & Ferguson. The 1955-1964 tractors had separate sumps, then the 1965+ models moved the hydraulic reservoir to the rear axle. After 1965, some of the larger models shared a common sump for the trans, hydraulics and rear axle.

 

[sotxbill]

Hi all,
My starter went out on my Ford 861, I just pulled it and there is drops of water on the bendix and the flywheel. There is definitely surface rust but not really old rust. It's got water drops but not soaking wet. Any ideas?

Making sure the drain hole is open, and the jiggle pin is still there to keep it from clogging is hugely important. Located on the bottom of the bell housing... If that is open, then I would say it normal condensation. I have seen the bottom of this area hold water when the drain was plugged. As a leak from the back of the engine would be dripping more often and should be coming out of the drain hole. Condensation is pretty normal where their is temperature differences between air and metal. And a close area more likely to hold the moisture. High moisture is known to make the clutch disc stick to the pressure plate and flywheel..