weights for a 961

[Rodeo man]

I'm gonna wear yaw out asking questions. Sorry. Bought a 961. Hooked my hay cutter to it, just to see. Completely raises the front end off the ground. Sitting on the ground in cutting position no problem of course. Looked up the weight of it before I bought it. Thouight surely it would habgle it, especially at 60 someodd HP. Will I need to make a bracket that will hold a suitcase weight? Are there weights especially for a 961?

 

[Sean in PA]

Are there weights especially for a 961?

Not specifically for a 961, but there was a front weight box that uses suitcase style weights that was made for all of the 1955-1965 Ford row crop models in the 700, 900, 701 and 901 series. Here's a link to a thread on here with a nice picture:

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[Tom Bond]

Rodeo, here's what your looking for. This is the set I put on my 961 before I sold it. They get pretty pricey. A finished set like I had on this one will put you out near $1000 with all 6 weights.

 

[showcrop]

(quoted from post at 20:03:48 02/17/20) Rodeo, here's what your looking for. This is the set I put on my 961 before I sold it. They get pretty pricey. A finished set like I had on this one will put you out near $1000 with all 6 weights.

Tom, that weight box looks nice on there! Mine is grey too and it is on my 971D but I plan some day to paint it red.

 

[Rodeo man]

Thanks for the replies. Seem more expensive than I would have thought.

 

[Kirk-NJ]

Yea weight boxes for the 961 are too much money. Just build a bracket to hang a few suitcase weights. Most of the pullers are doing that although you may not want to go that far out.

 

[Joe Styke]

That is the slickest 961 I've ever seen!
Wouldn't mid having that that looked that good.

 

[Bob N.Y.]

The belt horsepower of the 961 is about 46.

 

[showcrop]

(quoted from post at 06:43:27 02/18/20) The belt horsepower of the 961 is about 46.

Bob, that is correct. There are different measurements of HP. The OP gave the gross HP for the 961. Gross output, which in the U.S. is typically measured using the methodology laid out in SAE standards J245 and J1996, is the output of a bare engine running on a test stand with no external engine-driven accessories (e.g., alternators or water pumps), free-flowing exhaust headers with no mufflers, and optimal ignition timing. Gross ratings are also mathematically corrected for standard atmospheric conditions. In other words, gross output represents a particular engine s maximum output under ideal conditions.

 

[Rodeo man]

(quoted from post at 15:32:47 02/18/20)

(quoted from post at 06:43:27 02/18/20) The belt horsepower of the 961 is about 46.

Bob, that is correct. There are different measurements of HP. The OP gave the gross HP for the 961. Gross output, which in the U.S. is typically measured using the methodology laid out in SAE standards J245 and J1996, is the output of a bare engine running on a test stand with no external engine-driven accessories (e.g., alternators or water pumps), free-flowing exhaust headers with no mufflers, and optimal ignition timing. Gross ratings are also mathematically corrected for standard atmospheric conditions. In other words, gross output represents a particular engine s maximum output under ideal conditions.

I aint the sharpest knife in the drawer. I just restated what tractor datat said.

 

[Dean]

Be advised that tractordata is not to be trusted, especially for older tractors.

Dean

 

[Bob N.Y.]

Dig a little deeper on tractor data and you will find the various hp ratings. Make sure you are comparing apples to apples. Belt or PTO hp are the most commonly used. If you expect a 961 with 60 gross engine hp to perform like a 5600 with 60 PTO hp, you will probably be sadly disappointed.

 

[showcrop]

(quoted from post at 08:59:33 02/18/20) Be advised that tractordata is not to be trusted, especially for older tractors.

Dean

Dean, I have seen this stated before but have yet to see an error actually pointed out. Personally I look at them as being a great resource even though they may have made an error once or twice.

 

[Rodeo man]

Is what I have here sturdy enough to attach a couple weights to? I doubt two will fix my problem though.

 

[showcrop]

(quoted from post at 12:03:36 02/18/20) Is what I have here sturdy enough to attach a couple weights to? I doubt two will fix my problem though.

Rodeo man I have been pulling with a 960 for 20 years and have always had a front weight bracket similar to what you have there. I wouldn't hesitate to hang 200 lbs on it.

 

[Rodeo man]

(quoted from post at 00:29:38 02/19/20)

(quoted from post at 12:03:36 02/18/20) Is what I have here sturdy enough to attach a couple weights to? I doubt two will fix my problem though.

Rodeo man I have been pulling with a 960 for 20 years and have always had a front weight bracket similar to what you have there. I wouldn't hesitate to hang 200 lbs on it.

Thanks. My brother has 4 weights that used to belong to my dad. I'm thinking ill attach a couple (if 200 pounds will do the trick), just for hay cutting. I'll take them off the rest of the time. In all honesty, it'll probably only cut hay 8-10 days a year.

 

[Keith Williams]

Rodeo man,
You can also use weights that fit in the inside of the front wheels. They add maybe 300 LB if you have all 4 pieces ( two per wheel).
They bolt in. I think they are a PITA as I have to unbolt mine to take the wheel off then can only mount mine AFTER the wheel is bolted back on.

They hit the hub when bolted in. Just thinking about it, I should just see if the angle grinder would rectify that problem! Note to myself!! LOL!

HTH
Keith

 

[Dean]

Ford front weights attaching inside of the front rims will be much more of a PITA on a pedestal row crop tractor than on a utility even if they can be installed.

Hardly worth it for 100 lbs./wheel added by a so-called heavy set, and likely not enough weight to solve the OPs issue.

Dean

 

[Tim PloughNman Daley]

The FORD OEM 16" front wheel weights are a 2-pc each design and as stated a real PITA to install and remove. Total added weight is 100 pounds per wheel and I am unsure if they can be put on a row crop or not. If so you could add some 'beet juice', trade name Rim Guard??, for additional ballast. 6.0 -16 4 ply tires hold about 6 gallons of liquid ballast. Each wheel uses 4 square head 7/16-20 x 4 bolts, lockwashers, and hex nuts each.

FORD TRACTOR; 8N & UP; 16? FRONT WHEEL WEIGHTS:

Tim Daley(MI)

 

[Texasmark1]

I built a bracket mounted box for my 4 cyl '63 2000 that attached to the spare holes in the front axle. Loaded the box with 3 rows of 3 solid concrete (not
cinder) 6x8x16 blocks. Shot some Ford blue on it and it fit in real well with the looks of the tractor and did the job.....5x6 bale of hay was no longer a
problem.

 

[Rodeo man]

(quoted from post at 12:58:53 02/19/20) The FORD OEM 16" front wheel weights are a 2-pc each design and as stated a real PITA to install and remove. Total added weight is 100 pounds per wheel and I am unsure if they can be put on a row crop or not. If so you could add some 'beet juice', trade name Rim Guard??, for additional ballast. 6.0 -16 4 ply tires hold about 6 gallons of liquid ballast. Each wheel uses 4 square head 7/16-20 x 4 bolts, lockwashers, and hex nuts each.

FORD TRACTOR; 8N & UP; 16? FRONT WHEEL WEIGHTS:
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Tim Daley(MI)

Great post. This tractor needs front tires like the world needs love. I'll get them filled when I do. Never even crossed my mind to do that. The lift is stout. Stouter than I would have thought I think if I can hold the front end down, its gonna cut hay for me this year.

 

[Rodeo man]

Just got off the phone with my tire guy. He suggested foam filling them. He said it'd be heavier than fluid. If I can stand the expense, I might go that route.

 

[Texasmark1]

if you are running 500-600x16s you aren't going to get much of anything filling the tires.....maybe 25# apiece if you filled them completely up and you
can't do that it would be like driving on steel wheels. I had an IH 464 and it took 4 each 24" pieces of siding railroad rail and the weight of a bracket to
hold them. The 2000 Ford came years later and I told you what it took for it.

My first tractor over an IH Super A.......... Had some 5x6s custom rolled since I had nothing for equipment....just getting started....., got a 3 pt. spike,
backed up to the bale like I knew what I was doing (Ha!), stabbed the bale hit the lift and the bail stayed on the ground and the front of the tractor just
raised right up pretty as you please, front tires flopping in the breeze. Front end modification as mentioned and wala. Bale came up and tires stayed on
the ground and had good steering control.

 

[showcrop]

(quoted from post at 07:42:23 02/19/20) Just got off the phone with my tire guy. He suggested foam filling them. He said it'd be heavier than fluid. If I can stand the expense, I might go that route.

You don't want foam it will be too rough in the field. You will be replacing them in a couple days.