Wheel rims

[37 chief]

I have a question on mounting wheels. Is the wheel centering depending on the axle hub fit, or wheel lug centering? I have dodge rims that fit Chevy axles, but are not a tight fit on the hub. Trying to get rid of a couple ring lock rims (split rims) Stan

 

[BarnyardEngineering]

Oh boy the hub-centric, lug-centric can of worms...

You can tell by the fit if the rim on the hub, and the style of lug nuts.

The telltale sign of a lug-centric hub is the presence of tapered lug nuts. These style of hubs require a rim with a tapered seat for the lug nut.

Hub-centric, the center hole of the rim is a good fit on the hub, the lug nuts are flat-backed (or have washers), and the rim has a flat surface for the lug nut to seat on.

 

[stevieb49829]

I would think hub-centric would be more desirable in heavier applications, because then the weight is on the hub AND studs/lug nuts, as opposed to a lighter load being held up by ONLY the lug nuts and studs. Your lugs would have more of a tendency to work loose, if the wheel is not supported by the hub.

 

[danofarming]

Most of my Wheel experience is Semi related sooo.
Budd style uses inner stud bolts with tapered holding the inside Wheel and Outer tapered nuts holding the outside wheel. This is Stud Pilot, and the Studs carry All of the weight. Dump truck operators did not like this style as the tendancy was for breaking studs and loosing wheels.
Dayton style was a Cast Spoke center with the wheels held on and tight with wedges between the wheel and center spokes.
Hub Pilot the studs only hold the wheels on, All of the weight is transferred to the Hub via machined surfaces.

 

[caterpillar guy]

Wheel bolts. Just tighten them up and go on with it. they have been like that for 60 years or more. The tapered nuts fit the tapered bore in the wheel and holds it tight. Yes For,Dodge,And Government motors have the same bolt pattern but the ford wheels have the biggest hub Dodge and government motors will interchange without any monkey business. If you want to put either on a ford you have to fuzz out the hub hole a wee bit to fit on the hub at the journal where the wheel tightens up to. IF don't believe try to get it back off after tightening the others up on a ford hub. BTDT. Loosened them back up before it got stuck on.

 

[504]

Chief,what you want to do will work fine. Doing that to other machinery can be very bad. If you were going to load that truck like a 1 ton I would advise against it. I have a customer who uses a 656 Farmall as a lot tractor moving anything they can get the forks under. They were breaking front rims as fast as they could put them on.He was using pick up wheels,as soon as I talked him into the correct IH wheels, he hasn't broken one since.(hud centered wheels)

 

[sotxbill]

Light duty rims are lug centric and heavy duty rims are hub centric. Without knowing which truck and weight rating you have, its difficult to tell. Half tons are lug centric, one tons now... are hub centric. In the middle could be either one.

 

[Destroked 450]

Those wheels will work just fine, although factory wheel centers were close to the size of the hub they were not hub supported to a large degree
Aftermarket wheels were made to fit the largest hub centers that bolt pattern would fit
The Alcoa aluminum wheels I had on my F-350 had centers larger than the hubs, never had a wheel come loose
Aftermarket F150 wheels have the larger centers Jeep used

The true hub centered wheels that don t have tapered holes for the lug nuts didn t come out until the later 80 s or early 90 s