1650 Front Tire Question

[Anonymous-0]

Our 1650 utility with power steering came with 11L-15 implement flotation tires up front. There's a 1610 loader on the tractor, but it doesn't get a lot of heavy use--grubbing brush, but few heavy bucket loads. Are the 11L-15 flotations the best tire to have up front? The power steering is weak at best when at a standstill. Are these larger tires better for helping with weak steering, or do they make the situation worse? Probably a dumb question, but wanted some help in the matter.

 

[Anonymous-0]

How wide are your rims? It's not a bad idea to have a flotation tire on with a loader, however if your not using the loader every day they might be overkill. A set of 9.5LX15 three ribs should steer better. They will be a lot higher priced than the llL X 15's and depending on the width of the rim, may not fit on the rims.

 

[Anonymous-0]

I run four rib tires on my 1650 with loader. Not sure of the size, I will have to check. Really steer nice and provide good flotation for the loader work. The 4 rib work much better than the 3 rib for loader work.

 

[rwskinner]

I run the 9L15 on the front of my 1650 with loader and the power steering is very easy and has pretty good load carrying capacity.

Originally had 6" tires and the front end kept digging into the ground causing me to get stuck.

Where does the loader get it's hydraulics from, normally it's the front port off the hydraulic housing under the seat.

There is also a hyd. porportioning valve that suppose to adjust to keep the proper flow going to the steering as well. From my understanding, it can get out of whack causing a steering issue.

Don't have my book handy right now but I can look for you if you need me to. Been awhile since I traced down the hyd. schematic.

 

[Anonymous-0]

On our 1650, the loader gets hydraulics from two sets of remotes off the back of the tractor. Left side has the boom cylinders, the right side the bucket cylinders.

Any info you can provide on the proportioning valve would be helpful. I hadn't thought about that as a cause for the weaker steering, just figured the hydramotor was wearing out.

The steering does pull to the right, so I have to slowly steer to the right while driving straight. What would cause this? Hydramotor or steering cylinder up front?

 

[rwskinner]

I'll take a look when I get back home. I originally hooked my loader up like yours, trying to save some cash. Everyone convined my to take the loader hydraulics off the priority port ?? on the front. I bout a dual valve and installed how they said and it was a world of difference. The loader is much more usable. Cost me $100 for the dual loader valve.

When I get home I'll look that up for you.

 

[1755]

We took the 4x4 pickup tires 750 16 I think off the 550 that was on it when we got it witch you could hardly steer it did not have power stering and put 650 16 3rib on there and it maid alot of diferance it was the fact that with the truck tires we had 7 in or so tire on the ground and the 3 rib has the center rib about 2 in and the other out side about in or so was all that was on the ground as long as it was hard ground

 

[rwskinner]

Here is what the book says. Now keep in mind I hadn't messed with one before...

A flow divider valve supplies power to the steering and also channels oil to the oil cooler. Complete output from the Hyd. Pump flows thru this valve where the proper volume is directed to the steering circuit.

It's located midway on the tub. There isn't much to it except for a couple of springs and spool valve.

You can adjust it by installing a pressure gauge into the 1/4" port on the side of the valve. With the tractor warm, and at full throttle, turn the sterring to the extreme Left or Extreme right and note the pressure. It should be at 1500 psi and can be adjusted by inserting or removing shims from under the spring. Each shim = 32 psi difference.

Loader - Adding a "open Center" remote hyd. valve for Loader operation.

Remove the 1/2" pipe plug from the left front corner of the hyd. housing. Insert a 3/8" pipe plug inside that hole (It's threaded further inside for the 3/8") You Pressure hose will now screw into this 1/2" port and go to your loader valve. Return from the loader valve will route to the Exhaust port on the lower part of the hyd housing. It's located at floor level on the left side of the hyd. housing and and is a 3/4" plug.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Thanks for the info. I'd never thought about using a separate valve for the loader. Where did you mount the new valve?

 

[rwskinner]

I bolted a plate to the flat portion of the Rear axle tube on the right side. I took some square tubing and welded it to that plate at a 60 degree angle or so, so that it was up by the throttle lever. I then welded another plate on top of the square tubing so it was level and mounted my loader valve there. It's nice and handy and doesn't vibrate any.

Since my loader hoses were on the right side, it was a nice short run to the loader valve. I made two hoses to wrap behind the read of the drivers seat and tie into the ports.

 

[Robert E Jones]

do u have pictures or pdf's from this manual .... i am haviing steering problems on my 1650 and i am interested in this hydraulic modification for loader open center valves