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joeysmith said:
Its a mess for sure
Everything is but we really cant go there here.
Got a buch of hay I have already lost money on so I just as well buy a few head an lose some more rite?
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Lose SOME MORE? Just set fire to the hay so you don't have to haul manure or fix fence. I hope these guys who've bought high dollar calves have them contracted, or their banker is going to be serving papers on them.

There are SO many small herds in the south that are going to be at the sale barn this fall right behind their calves that the entire landscape and eco system in the south is going to change. Those guys are my age and older and they've just been looking for a reason. That's a FACT, unlike the things you hear on AM radio.
 
Someone in the beef business said it is a future help to keeping beef prices high so good for his ranch, he takes the long view.

The other side campaigned on doing this in a much bigger way to all grocery prices, so if this is bad, the alternative would have been worser?

Would not be for it but it’s a thing politicians do on any side of the isle, other side was promising to do much worse of this.

I know politics isn’t here and this thread won’t last long so that’s all I have to say.
 
grandpa Love said:
Good time to ask where your ground beef is coming from 🤬. And Thursday would have been a great day to sell your cattle! 🧐😬🤬. " No one loves farmers and ranchers more". We don't even own cattle anymore and this makes me angry 😡.
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He might be doing the beef industry a HUGELY BIG favor. Everyone knows that US grocery prices are still increasing at a ridiculously high inflation rate. Several months ago he tried to reduced the tariff on packaged beef imports from some country, Argentina? The beef producers threw a fit and vetoed that, even though they are not remotely capable of meeting the US demand for beef within the next five to ten years.

That created a lot of ill will with US consumers. Demand for beef is now falling due to the severe over pricing and the arrogance of the beef industry. Why should the taxpayers continue to subsidize US farmers and ranchers after they pull a dumb stunt like restricting beef imports during a shortage? If US farmers want a free market for beef then why shouldn't all farm commodities should sink or swim in the free market without any subsidies or ethanol mandates?
 
Ss, I understand where your thoughts are coming from.

Most countries around the globe are aware a hungry population is an angry population, and their governments place food at the top of their national security list. This creates a very deep set of protectionist and tax and production and import and export conditions every country sets up. We could lump all those into ‘ag subsidies’ I guess and would fit what you say.

So there is no ‘free trade’ anywhere around the globe in food.

It’s not possible. If we did, we would be the only country that tried, and we would be clobbered.

Canada has had a 200% tax on some milk imports for a long time, for one small example. It is what we are up against in world trade….

So I like your thought, but it is not possible.

I hope we can get closer to a fair trade, which much of the past trade tax issues is really about. It seems all bluff and huff and scatter brained, but it’s actually an attempt to bring things back closer to sane, normal fair trade. Will it work out, I don’t know but it might be worth the effort?

I wish people would get past blind hate and media and see the real issues. We would be a better country.

Paul
 
Ss, raising beef is a long, 5 year process of raising a heifer, getting a calf, feeding out the yearling, and having a critter at the processing plant.

Poultry and hogs have a much shorter turn around time, and can get multiple eggs or piglets in a short time. Beef you get one calf per momma per year more or less.

So when beef production fell and beef consumption rose, prices rose and you can’t afford to invest in that 5 year process to get more momma cows making more calves…. Just sell the cow for high prices.

It is the free market that is snowballing things into shorter beef supplies, if you think about it.

Fortunately we have lots of pork and poultry at cheap prices, so consumers can select the meat they can afford, and the free market was keeping both producers and consumers happy, mostly.

Paul
 
A lot of issues coming together isn’t it.

Which is typically how it goes.

Make growers happy. Make consumers happy. Make business happy. Keep the environment happy. Keep pests isolated. Make other countries happy.

Such a failure when a person can’t do it all in a weeks time, what takes so long?

Got to sit back and enjoy the ride. If you can.

Paul
 
paul said:
Ss, I understand where your thoughts are coming from.

Most countries around the globe are aware a hungry population is an angry population, and their governments place food at the top of their national security list. This creates a very deep set of protectionist and tax and production and import and export conditions every country sets up. We could lump all those into ‘ag subsidies’ I guess and would fit what you say.

So there is no ‘free trade’ anywhere around the globe in food.

It’s not possible. If we did, we would be the only country that tried, and we would be clobbered.

Canada has had a 200% tax on some milk imports for a long time, for one small example. It is what we are up against in world trade….

So I like your thought, but it is not possible.

I hope we can get closer to a fair trade, which much of the past trade tax issues is really about. It seems all bluff and huff and scatter brained, but it’s actually an attempt to bring things back closer to sane, normal fair trade. Will it work out, I don’t know but it might be worth the effort?

I wish people would get past blind hate and media and see the real issues. We would be a better country.

Paul
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I think what you are saying that if price supports during oversupply are inevitable, then price controls during shortages are also inevitable. The govt. is back tracking fast on their "Let them eat ramen" message because it was not well received at all. Squawking about loosening beef import restrictions now is counter productive for the beef industry. Nobody forced anyone to over pay for feeder cattle.
 
john in la said:
Make one rancher or farmer mad while you make 10 grocery shoppers happy is a win in their book.

The only people mad today are the farmers ranchers and people that didn’t like the guy that made the new rule in the first place.
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You are delusional if you think a single grocery shopper will see a lower price because of this. 🧐. At least kool aid is still on sale.
 
ss55 said:
He might be doing the beef industry a HUGELY BIG favor. Everyone knows that US grocery prices are still increasing at a ridiculously high inflation rate. Several months ago he tried to reduced the tariff on packaged beef imports from some country, Argentina? The beef producers threw a fit and vetoed that, even though they are not remotely capable of meeting the US demand for beef within the next five to ten years.

That created a lot of ill will with US consumers. Demand for beef is now falling due to the severe over pricing and the arrogance of the beef industry. Why should the taxpayers continue to subsidize US farmers and ranchers after they pull a dumb stunt like restricting beef imports during a shortage? If US farmers want a free market for beef then why shouldn't all farm commodities should sink or swim in the free market without any subsidies or ethanol mandates?
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With all of your business savvy and financial genius, I have to ask, have you gone bankrupt five times too? How can you possibly think this stunt for support in November will ever lead to an increase in US production? Do you honestly believe we're going to hemmorage money instead of cashing out and living off what we've banked in the last six years?

Bon appatite when they have to start cutting this grass fed garbage in to steak instead of just throwing it in the grinder to blend with our grain fed.
 
grandpa Love said:
Good time to ask where your ground beef is coming from 🤬. And Thursday would have been a great day to sell your cattle! 🧐😬🤬. " No one loves farmers and ranchers more". We don't even own cattle anymore and this makes me angry 😡.
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Yup. Cattle bubble go POP! :LOL:

Think this has been in the wind for a few weeks now. Will be interesting to see what the new farm bill brings.

Mike
 
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