4000 sos with loader opinon

[Farmer76]

I have a friend who is going to be selling a 4000 SOS with a loader for $2200. It is a gasser with a fresh motor. First question is, is it worth 2200. Second is what should I look for on the SOS. I have no expierence with the SOS. Are they as worthless as what I have been told? As always any help is appreciated.

 

[balatonm]

I have a 4000 diesel with the SOS and dont have a problum with it.

Some pics would be nice if you can get them.

 

[NWMO 901 SOS]

(quoted from post at 08:02:43 03/26/08) I have a friend who is going to be selling a 4000 SOS with a loader for $2200. It is a gasser with a fresh motor. First question is, is it worth 2200. Second is what should I look for on the SOS. I have no expierence with the SOS. Are they as worthless as what I have been told? As always any help is appreciated.

Good morning Farmer,

If the guy selling is really a friend, get his opinion. I've changed the fluids and cleaned up some small items on a 1960 971 (SOS) my dad has had for 25+ years and it is running well. I really like the independent PTO and being able to shift on the fly. Properly serviced and cared for, they can be fun functional transmissions. With 10 forward speeds you have a 1st gear that allows garden tilling, etc. where many manual trannies have too high of a ground speed (even in 1st) for such operation. There was a transmission improvement made early on changing from an over-running clutch to a direct drive clutch. If the tractor has the ORC tranny the shifter will have about 1/2 of the gears on the selector hatched /////////. These gears are free wheeling down hills with the [color=red:eb32aa127c]ORC[/color:eb32aa127c] tranny. With the [color=blue:eb32aa127c]DDC[/color:eb32aa127c] tranny that is not a problem. Best of luck. Would enjoy pics if you feel like it.

Chris

 

[Fordfarmer]

I'm not even close to an "expert" on the SOS, but I have owned one and driven a couple. If it's working OK, I'd probably go for it. Two things not mentioned are the age of the tractor- is it a '62-'64 4-cylinder, or a later 3-cylinder? and it's configuration - is it an all-purpose/utility or a row crop (and if a row crop, wide or narrow front)? 4-cylinder, row crop, narrow front will be worth the least of these.

 

[Dean]

Farmer:

The value will depend upon many things but, initially it will be helpful to know if it is a three cylinder or 4 cylinder version. Values are significantly different.

Next, as FF has already noted, it will be helpful to know whether it is a utility version, a row crop version or a 3 cylinder SU version. If a row crop, wide front or narrow?

Next, it the loader fully hydraulic or a trip bucket?

All that said, if it runs and operates it is very likely that it is worth more than $2200 regardless of the answers to the above questions.

Dean

 

[Farmer76]

3cyl full hydraulic loader. Pto brake is out of it. Is this hard to change? Wide front.

 

[Dean]

Farmer:

The three cylinder versions, being both newer and heavier, generally sell at higher prices than the earlier 4 cylinder versions.

The year of manufacture will affect value a bit as the 65-mid 68 versions used a 192 CI gasoline engine rated at 46 PTO HP, whereas the later versions use a 201 CI gasoline engine rated at about 50 PTO HP.

Unless there are serious problems with the tractor it should be worth much more than the $2200 asking price.

I sold a good 66 4000 S-O-S tractor last spring for $5500. The tractor did not have a loader, which must be worth $1000+.

There is no PTO brake on S-O-S equipped tractors. It is normal for the PTO to turn when the engine is running and there is no load on the PTO. You should be able to stop it with your boot.

Dean

 

[Fordfarmer]

3-cyl. 4000 with a all-hydraulic loader, even being a gas/selecto, would probably bring $4000-5500 here, depending on condition. Jump on that one!

 

[Larry NCKS]

Some of the late SOS tractors have pto brakes. I know a 5000 does but am not sure on the 4000.

 

[Anonymous-0]

Here we have a '64 4000 3 cyl diesel SOS; originally came with a model 727 Ford loader. We found the hydraulics on the 4000 were very slow; so bought a 5000 4cyl diesel SOS and switched the loader to the 5000 with minor loader frame mods & found this worked "pretty good" ie speed of loader was not bad. My neighbor also got a 4000 3 cyl gas with a loader(not a Ford loader); also found it too slow, so he installed a front mount hyd pump driven off end of crankshaft then found speed of loader satisfactory (& better than mine on 5000! If I had to do this over again, I'd probably install a front mount hyd pump too & not have bought the 5000. I don't think the 3 or 4 cyl really has anytrhing to do with it, so long as there's enough power to operate the hydraulics and run the loader.

 

[Larry NCKS]

(quoted from post at 20:29:35 03/26/08) Here we have a '64 4000 3 cyl diesel SOS; originally came with a model 727 Ford loader. We found the hydraulics on the 4000 were very slow; so bought a 5000 4cyl diesel SOS and switched the loader to the 5000 with minor loader frame mods & found this worked "pretty good" ie speed of loader was not bad. My neighbor also got a 4000 3 cyl gas with a loader(not a Ford loader); also found it too slow, so he installed a front mount hyd pump driven off end of crankshaft then found speed of loader satisfactory (& better than mine on 5000! If I had to do this over again, I'd probably install a front mount hyd pump too & not have bought the 5000. I don't think the 3 or 4 cyl really has anytrhing to do with it, so long as there's enough power to operate the hydraulics and run the loader.

Don't think you got the point. They are not talking 3 cylinder 4000 vs. 4 cylinder 5000. They are talking early (62-64) 4 cylinder 4000 vs. late (65 up) 3 cylinder 4000. The difference in these two is large and has much to do with the value and operating features of the tractor he's working with. I further believe he's verified that it is the later 3 cyl 4000